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Dorkmaster

Thanks anthrax for the mild trouting! Ok, so Jack doesn't help us. But I still think it is totally safe to say that Dana is not some two-faced thing. I still think (for now) that all we can do is take Dana at face value. she may have odd motives, but is not masquerading as SPDR, P.F., S.P., Widow, or Assassin.

(are there others involved, other than Manticore, who I consider out of the story here, by the way?)

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:13 pm

Partnerz · Boot Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 39

In fact i believe the pictures of dana are trying to show us that Dana is definitely real. We cant rule out Aunt Margeret though

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:16 pm

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Dorkmaster

Ok first, I'm totally sorry for dominating this thread... it's not my intention, just my current mind focus (read: obsession).

Is there anyone who can pin dialogue (like the Q&A=S.P.) to a specific character?

We know that the Q&A in at least 3, (but likely all,) of the killer.jpg files is all the Sleeping Princess, and that the text for these messages comes from the hijacked emails sent by us to ladybee777SPLAThotmail.com.

However, we don't know what other dialogue comes from what characters. For instance, who "says" the MAYDAY texts? Please don't wildly speculate. I'm up for suggestions, but only if you can show your work. Wink

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:17 pm

Lainer

If we have pictures of Dana, then we also have pictures of Aunt Margret, the cat, and Dana's mother Chloe. So the pictures are either proof of them all being real people and not at all affiliated with whatever's on the web site, or the pictures aren't proof of anything.

I'm still waffling between is an AI/isn't an AI, but this whole thing would be a damn sight more frightening if Dana's just an innocent bystander.

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:25 pm

Dorkmaster

I forgot, as far as characters go, we also have the Operator.
Can anyone authoritatively assign text to these characters:

Operator?

SPDR?

Assassin?

Widow?

Queen?

Pious Flea?

Sleeping Princess? (other than the Q&A sessions in killer.jpg versions)

If we can see who's saying what, we can definitely understand the motives of each player, and possibly gain some clue as to exactly where this ball is rolling. Again, any disagreements?

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:27 pm

linuxfan · Boot Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 15 Location: Denver, CO

I actually agree with what's been said here, and in some ways its all kind of my point.

I think Aunt M and Dana are both real. And like you siad Dork: Dana is not masquerading as anohter character, but I think she is being refered to as another name by the entity. The terminology may just be it using what it know at the time. Since it's spitting our questions and words back at us (which I won't post again 'cuz they're here alot), and adapting our vocab. I haven't been able to find any references at all for the assasin or SP, but the others are referenced on the "unaltered" site.

Then Again, like you said- we have no choice for now but to take Dana at face value. :SIGH: I'll drop it now Smile

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:30 pm

Partnerz · Boot Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 39

The operator cannot be the pious flea, as the operator is female, the flea is male, coincidentally the only male currently known about.

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:31 pm

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Dorkmaster

Partnerz, where do you get that the flea is referenced to as male? I am not disagreeing, but I didn't catch that before.

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:32 pm

thr4k4 · Boot Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 22

where did the assassin occur?

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:35 pm

Partnerz · Boot Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 39

Two sources

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:38 pm

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Dorkmaster

great catch on the Pious Flea's sex!

Also, note that in the same context as the Assassin, we get a brief mention of the Servant. So that's another potential character here...

There's a really good discussion on (I'm really hesitant to say dialogue from the Operator, but that's the prevailing theory) over here:

http://caedmon.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4943

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:44 pm

Partnerz · Boot Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 39

The names are all used in different contexts. For example, The queen etc are used in the story, whereas the SPDR and Operator were used in the mayday mesages. In Phase 2 the Queen talks directly to us

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:51 pm

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gkscotty · Boot Joined: 19 Oct 2003 Posts: 16

[spec] I'm a little concerned about Aunt M now.

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:55 pm

thr4k4 · Boot Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 22

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:02 pm

Dorkmaster

thr4k4,

Where do you get that the SPDR/Queen/Operator, whatever is using the Ladybee account? I only show textual evidence for the S.P.

Now, if you can somehow link S.P. and one of the other characters (because I agree that we may have "story" names that intersect with "AI/self" names) But I don't think we have three. I think the max we have currently is two names per entity (dana/killer, S.P./operator?, Queen/SPDR)

**Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:06 pm