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[INFO/SPEC] Organization anyone?
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Varin
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Shad0 wrote:
Operator=Queen(=Melissa?)
SPDR=Spider=Widow
Sleeping Princess=ladybee777 "hijacker"
Pious Flea=???
Dana=killer(=assassin?)
Servant=???


After relooking at the mayday texts I agree with Shad0 that the Operator is the queen...

mayday text wrote:
Eight legs (I feel them walking on me) and how many voices-three? Five? Eight? - I am become a most delicate monster indeed.


The operator has eight lets walking over her? Sounds like a spider to me. So ok, the queen is the operator.

Entities so far...

Queen/Operator/voodoo parent (female)
Spider/Widow/voodoo witch (female)
Assassin/Dana?
Sleeping Princess (female)
Pious Flea (male)
ilovebees/Castle
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:38 pm
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thr4k4
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 		the flea
The queen sees only traces of the flea in the sand/silicon, which would underline what your suggestion is - the original human that the AI was based on. Seeing that there are traces of the original, that is still present, but hiding since it fears the queen.

We also read in a response that it wanted to hide in the sand. Which makes perfect sense if it fears the queen.

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Partnerz
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The Princess may have been unarchived (awakened) but the Widow, in order to use her as a reference for some components of the Queen. The Princess has a more innocent approach and does not see Dana as a threat. The Princess may be communicating through snippets of text sent to the Hotmail account, and does not have communication abilities on the level of the Queen. She also may fear the Queen.


I agree upto this point. But the text says this

Quote:
When her Queen died, the Widow awoke. She was driven by a single need, which was to return her Queen to splendor.


Quote:
The Sleeping Princess lay in a chamber of the dungeon in a coffin of glass where the Widow could not hear her breathing.


You see if the widow knew about the princess, which it doesn't, then wouldn't it simply awaken the princess to make her the new queen instead of repairing a programme. If the princess id their for the reason you suggest, as a backup, then she should in theory be awoken. But the widow doesnn't know shes awake, so she takes the hard root of reparing the queen.

Sorry its a bit long winded
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:41 pm
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 		summary
THE CHARACTERS
These are the characters as I see them:
- the Operator: It is definetly female. From the fable in the distorted images she is the Queen. Also her name seems to be Melissa from the pieced together text from around the phase 2 pages.
- SPDR: This is an autonomous system trying to repair the broken Operator. From the fable this is the widow (also goes with SPiDeR being a black widow).
Quote:

The Spider doesn't understand about the Assassin. Spider's just a reflex, a task and a toolset. Doesn't get the bigger picture. I'm nailed to a griddle of sand while some bitch is shooting bullets into me, all the Spider knows is her checkdown routines, her reflex arcs. She doesn't understand we have to kill the Assassin first and worry about reconstruction later

- the Sleeping Princess: might be an earlier state of the Queen. Put to "sleep" to archive. The SPDR program is unaware of its survival.
Quote:

The Sleeping Princess lay in a chamber of the dungeon in a coffin of glass where the Widow could not hear her breathing.

- the Pious Flee: Something present within the system that is so "small" it cant be detected.
Quote:

Meanwhile, the Pious Flea was so small that even the Widow, with her sharp eyes, could hardly see him, and when she looked his way, he hid.



THE NEW WARNING
Quote:

SURPRISE!
Look up and smile, honey.
Bang!
Bang!
Bang!
Got the drop on you that time, sweetheart.
Opening shot of my search and destroy. I'm going to know everything about you. Where you live and what you buy, how you think and who you love.
Know the enemy.
Young and out of uniform,


This is Melissa saying to Dana that she can now see her, and that she knows about her. When observing the different killer images, it can be ordered as noted on the wiki to the camera looking out the window, turning towards dana, then dana noticing it and starting to check her webcamera. Then with the post of the new warning on www.ilovebees.com, Dana saw the images taken by her own camera and got scared - so she posted a new post on the blog.

If we assume that Melissa took these pictures and labeled them "killer", it doesn't immediately mean that Melissa also put the text in there. The text could have been inserted by the princess.

The text inside the killer images is someone talking to us. The entity is answering the questions taken from the hijacked hotmail account. It gives us clues to who it is, and also verifies that it is the one running the hotmail account. It is verifying that we can talk to it. It can be the flea or the princess.

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Varin
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 		Re: summary
thr4k4 wrote:
The text inside the killer images is someone talking to us. The entity is answering the questions taken from the hijacked hotmail account. It gives us clues to who it is, and also verifies that it is the one running the hotmail account. It is verifying that we can talk to it. It can be the flea or the princess.


I agree and think the messages in the killer images were not written by The Queen/Melissa who scared Dana by using the webcam.

I think the killer messages were probably written by the Sleeping Princess because...

Quote:
Question:

What are you?


I am some kid who wants to get noticed, very clever an instigator an

innocent bystander red in an airtight container in the deepest and

darkest Sleeping casket in a chamber of the dungeon.

Do you understand this? Whatever you are?

love,



The factthat we've ready established that the Sleeping Princess is in an airtight container and the use of the word "Sleeping" pretty much clinch it for me.
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The text inside the killer images is someone talking to us. The entity is answering the questions taken from the hijacked hotmail account. It gives us clues to who it is, and also verifies that it is the one running the hotmail account. It is verifying that we can talk to it. It can be the flea or the princess.


I have a problem with the end of this, since the Q&A entity who has hijacked the hotmail account, and is speaking through the killer images, MUST be the Sleeping Princess, because of this response to the
Quote:

Question:
Who are you?

Answer:
I am some kid who wants to get noticed, very clever an instigator an

innocent bystander stored in an airtight container in the deepest and

darkest Sleeping casket in a chamber of the dungeon.

Do you understand this? Whatever you are?


And totally no offense, but anyone else who claims that the killer-text "author" is not S.P. is going to get mildly trouted, since I would say that this is fact now. (Would anyone disagree to the point to remove the cold trout from my hands?[/quote]

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:03 pm
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Varin
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 		ALthough.....

killer jpgs wrote:
I know that there are many people who are very curious about you.

Shipwreck?

In a chamber of the dungeon the Sleeping Princess lived here. Describe

the place

a total mess
such a shambles!

I have been attempting to put the dungeon to splendor. You have


Who's talking here? It's hard to tell where the question is and where the answer is. The part "the Sleeping Princess lived here" surely couldn't have come from the SP herself? Is that part of the question then?
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 		I think this is just cleverly written. We are told about the sleeping princess. But below we are tols she is stored in a Sleeping Casket. Did we just assume that she was asleep? For example if i go to bed, it doesnt mean i am sleeping does it?

love, Question:

What are you?


I am some kid who wants to get noticed, very clever an instigator an

innocent bystander red in an airtight container in the deepest and

darkest Sleeping casket in a chamber of the dungeon.

Do you understand this? Whatever you are?

love,
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 		Well, this may help us out Smile The wiki section with emails to ladybee777 is being updated with highlighting of the killer jpg questions...


http://bees.netninja.com/wiki/index.php?title=Emails

(see bottom)
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 		Is it possible that the Flea and the Princess are not the same person, but helping each other using their unique abilities. The Questions posted back are confusing becauset they are written in from the points of view of both the flea and princess

Quote:
Please don't be freaked out

The Widow the Queen are trying to keep me in very bad shape as well
I can sympathize with you

I believe I can help you out, I can apply a construct to protect your

core

Please! Please! Please!
Try not to worry) too much.

Keep your head up girl

love,


this relates to the princess
Quote:
the Queen isn't an innocent

Dead yet alive the queen's a monstrous verminous bug.

the Queen was wondering how long the Sleeping Princess would keep if

stored in an airtight container. I can only watch from the shadows,

piecing together what I may


Yet this suggests the flea?

Their are also other parts that suggest it is not written by just 1 of the pair
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 		Long time listener, first time caller. Hope this isn't trout.


It strikes me that the green text in the 'killer' pic on the About page is also from the Sleeping Princess. There are three reasons for this:

1) It doesn't read quite like the rest of the Queen's rantings. Also mentions the word 'site', which suggests a better understanding of what's going on than the Queen has.

2) It is in a different color, green, than any of the Queen's text (I think).

3) The inclusion of '(?)' is a reference to one the the killer.jpg texts.



Just my $0.02

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 		trout Smile

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4959

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Andy
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 		Well, shoot. I guess I'm not as savvy at this new-fangled "introweb" as I thought.

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 		Speaker in killer.jpgs
I second the idea that the PF is the speaker in the killer.jpg files. This is pretty much a "me too" post, so feel free to skim/skip it.

Quote:

I am some kid who wants to get noticed, very clever an instigator an
innocent bystander stored in an airtight container in the deepest and
darkest Sleeping casket in a chamber of the dungeon.

To me, this says the speaker is inside two containers, and airtight one which itself is inside the sleeping casket. While this does support the princess, it could also mean the princess has an airtight box with her (possibly containing the speaker).
I would also note that the text is taken from emails sent, so the speaker is somewhat limited in exact phrasing.

Quote:

Question:
Perhaps you are the Pious Flea
Answers:
Seek the truth
Behold the truth
That is the law and the whole of the law

To me, this is either complete confirmation or complete denial of the speaker's identity. I'm just not sure the correct way to read it.

Quote:

In a chamber of the dungeon the Sleeping Princess lived here.

The speaker is talking about the Princess. Could be because of limited choice in email, but I think it's because they're not the same person.

Quote:

I believe I can help you out, I can apply a construct to protect your core

This says to me that the speaker is able to act, while I would guess the Princess can't, being sleeping and all.

Quote:

I am fine, have the necessary tools to hide hard in the darkness

Similar to the PF,
Quote:

Meanwhile, the Pious Flea was so small that even the Widow, with her sharp eyes, could hardly see him, and when she looked his way, he hid


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 		Sleeping Princess and the Pious Flee
Here is my spec on the Princess and the Flee:

I agree somewhat with Partnerz

I believe the killer text is from the Princess, however, I believe she is contained, evident from:

Quote:
innocent bystander stored in an airtight container in the deepest and


this has been mentioned before. Being contained, I think her method of communication is using the Flea, which I believe serves as some sort of servant/tool to the Princess and is also sentient. Most of the killer text seems to come from the Princess, with recurring details, such as being signed love at the end, except for the snippet Varin questions:

Quote:
I know that there are many people who are very curious about you.

Shipwreck?

In a chamber of the dungeon the Sleeping Princess lived here. Describe

the place

a total mess
such a shambles!

I have been attempting to put the dungeon to splendor. You have


And other inserts.
I feel the Flea steps in every so often in the text. Another indication that the Flea is a tool for the Princess is this:

Quote:
I am fine, have the necessary tools to hide hard in the darkness, to

meddle in the affairs of dragons and run like hell


Now, the following may merit a new/different thread, but I have been wondering why the Princess character is here, ignored by the Widow and why she dislikes the queen:

Quote:
Guess I feel the Queen isn't something good
Guess I feel the Queen will be swift and terrible.


I believe the Princess is an AI captured by the Queen/Melissa/Operator and contained for information purposes. I am basing myself on the spec that Operator was the ship AI from the Military Conversation Snippets and this snippet from Melissa
Quote:
drain of Destroyer class lasers measured against engine acceleration data in dockyard trials; a fragment of conversation, two crew members in an illicit
alliance whispering in a corridor and a quick clasp of hands; the long elegance of a fine decrypt, where you pull noise aside like the flesh of a cooked trout to reveal the gleaming skeleton of signal inside


Operator/Melissa seems to me to perform like a Military ship AI, and also sounds quite vicious.
Perhaps the capture of the Princess AI led to the destruction of the ship, perhaps by the enemy? My apologies if this is overly long.
Any thoughts?

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