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[SPEC] audio stories - reality check: who MEETS whom?
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Binarius
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 		[SPEC] audio stories - reality check: who MEETS whom?
(stupid forum. "who meets whom IRL" was the subject.)

Something about those audio stories keeps bugging me.

The "Beer Talk" clip (beer+four_goats).
Hiroyuki: "I got a cold one waiting for you. Pull up a couch and start drinking."
(one PSST in the background)
Kamal is drinking by himself, and Hiroyuki, what, just sits there?
Also, listen CLOSELY (headphones, people!) to the tone of voice Hiroyuki uses. Kamal speaks nicely and clearly, while Hiroyuki has a strange echo under his speech...
And also, note that it's always Kamal somewhat asking for advice, and Hiroyuki providing it. He does nothing other than helping Kamal..!

SPEC one - Hiroyuki is an AI, or isn't physically there (the guys are talking via CN).


Now take the "Runaway Date" clip (parasites+eyes).
Hiroyuki (in the earpiece): "What did she say when she left?"
Kamal(?): "I don't know! As soon as I started talking about intestinal parasites, boom, gone!"

He doesn't know what she said..? Strange. But not too strange, unless combined with more stuff:

Now the "Two-timer" clip (tuna+hi_aiden).
First, some door opening, closing, a zip on a leather jacket or container... and immediately keystrokes. Too fast to have been after entering a room, if you ask me...
Then:
Sophia: "Is she pretty?"
Kamal: "No, not really... A six, maybe, maybe a five..."
Why is Kamal describing it, instead of, I don't know, turning the screen for Sophia to see..?

SPEC two - they do not meet physically, in that clip, it's CN again.


Just to poke the anthill, as a Polish saying goes... Smile

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 		Re: [SPEC] audio stories - reality check: who MEETS whom?
Binarius wrote:
Now take the "Runaway Date" clip (parasites+eyes).
Hiroyuki (in the earpiece): "What did she say when she left?"
Kamal(?): "I don't know! As soon as I started talking about intestinal parasites, boom, gone!"

He doesn't know what she said..? Strange.


There's just been an outage. During the time Hiro lost contact with Kamal, presumably the date left....
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 		Re: [SPEC] audio stories - reality check: who MEETS whom?
sherpa wrote:
Binarius wrote:
Now take the "Runaway Date" clip (parasites+eyes).
Hiroyuki (in the earpiece): "What did she say when she left?"
Kamal(?): "I don't know! As soon as I started talking about intestinal parasites, boom, gone!"

He doesn't know what she said..? Strange.


There's just been an outage. During the time Hiro lost contact with Kamal, presumably the date left....


So that would make Hiroyuki not know - Kamal should know everything, since he was supposedly sitting there, physically. SUPPOSEDLY. Twisted Evil

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 		Re: [SPEC] audio stories - reality check: who MEETS whom?
Binarius wrote:

Now take the "Runaway Date" clip (parasites+eyes).
Hiroyuki (in the earpiece): "What did she say when she left?"
Kamal(?): "I don't know! As soon as I started talking about intestinal parasites, boom, gone!"

He doesn't know what she said..? Strange. But not too strange, unless combined with more stuff:


Ok, well, at the beginning of the clip they mention that the lines went dead, so he couldn't hear the last bit of the conversation before the lady went to the bathroom.

Binarius wrote:

Now the "Two-timer" clip (tuna+hi_aiden).
First, some door opening, closing, a zip on a leather jacket or container... and immediately keystrokes. Too fast to have been after entering a room, if you ask me...
Then:
Sophia: "Is she pretty?"
Kamal: "No, not really... A six, maybe, maybe a five..."
Why is Kamal describing it, instead of, I don't know, turning the screen for Sophia to see..?

SPEC two - they do not meet physically, in that clip, it's CN again.


After the door opens i can hear 2 distinct sets of foot steps, so i know they both entered the same room. As for the keystrokes, doesnt, while they are outside he is able to hack into the CN. Maybe he has a pda or something that he uses and carrys around with him. the not being able to see Sophia thing is werid cause the olny explation i can come up with is that Kamal is a robot.

Edit*

The "i dont know" from Kamal is because hes scared, confused and a total n00b when it comes to dating. Just like shen police are asking questions at crime scenes:
"what did he say to you?"
"I dont know. he was just screaming at me to get down."

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 		Re: [SPEC] audio stories - reality check: who MEETS whom?
Binarius wrote:
So that would make Hiroyuki not know - Kamal should know everything, since he was supposedly sitting there, physically. SUPPOSEDLY. Twisted Evil


Ah, I see what you mean. ("He" isn't specific, damn pronouns!)

Well, I'd say that Kamal was too distraught to really pay attention. I don't think it's a particularly important line, though they could have used "I can't remember" instead for more clarity. The fact that the waiter brings a (presumed) note, and the (large!) cheque, both point to it being an IRL interaction. Some of the later Sophia stuff, however, certainly could be through the chatternet, once they've met IRL.
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 		The Hiroyuki = A.I. spec is something I hadn't considered before! Nice work. It also lends a little more humor to the whole parasites/Chapter 3 joke. Smile

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 		Hmm, Hiro being an AI would make some sense I guess. Accoriding to Melissa's post during the track down of Dana (the whole killer.jpg thing) she was really surprised to not being able to attach to the house network and AI system.

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 		I'd say Hiroyuki is mostly likely an AI. After listening as closely as I could (with headphones), Hiroyuki's voice certainly seems to have that synthesized tone so characteristic to AIs in the Haloverse (have a listen to when he says, "Oh, you have another date" in BEER). So now, understanding that Hiroyuki is an AI (as I will assume for now), what does that do for us? Does it really change anything, or clue us in to any new information for the story?
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 		ok, Hiro isn't an AI... for one, after the date the two of them go back to one their residences... two, Hiro's voice sounds synthetic during the date because we're hearing him through Kamal's earpiece... three, at the residence, Hiro has a beer waiting for him... four, Kamal physically flips through the book Hiro was reading from. Speculation beyond that is way out there and just doesn't flow with common sense...
yes, there's always room for speculation... just being the devil's advocate...
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 		Re: [SPEC] audio stories - reality check: who MEETS whom?
Binarius wrote:
Why is Kamal describing it, instead of, I don't know, turning the screen for Sophia to see..?


Because that makes for a horrible wav file? Wink

jerkery aside, sounds like a good spec. I'll have to listen to them over again.
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 		hiro
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for one, after the date the two of them go back to one their residences... two, Hiro's voice sounds synthetic during the date because we're hearing him through Kamal's earpiece... three, at the residence, Hiro has a beer waiting for him... four, Kamal physically flips through the book Hiro was reading from.


one, correction...after the date, Khamal returns to wherever Hyro is (they were talking through an earpeice before). two, it's the future...if I have a customized personal AI assistant, it darn well better be able to get me a friggin beer. three, if hyro is an AI, it could print out the book he was referencing. As was just mentioned, future AI's have access to all sorts of appliances in the Home of Tomorrow (tm).

I thought hiro was an ai after the second time hearing the beer wav...he just gives me that impression. But, one big flaw...why would Khamal be expecting more from Hiro if Hiro is just an AI?

I think hyro is an ai. Anyway, this spec isn't really helpful.
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 		Re: hiro
SuperJerms wrote:
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for one, after the date the two of them go back to one their residences... two, Hiro's voice sounds synthetic during the date because we're hearing him through Kamal's earpiece... three, at the residence, Hiro has a beer waiting for him... four, Kamal physically flips through the book Hiro was reading from.


one, correction...after the date, Khamal returns to wherever Hyro is (they were talking through an earpeice before). two, it's the future...if I have a customized personal AI assistant, it darn well better be able to get me a friggin beer. three, if hyro is an AI, it could print out the book he was referencing. As was just mentioned, future AI's have access to all sorts of appliances in the Home of Tomorrow (tm).

I thought hiro was an ai after the second time hearing the beer wav...he just gives me that impression. But, one big flaw...why would Khamal be expecting more from Hiro if Hiro is just an AI?

I think hyro is an ai. Anyway, this spec isn't really helpful.
I don't think I'd ask for my AI to give me dating advice, and it wouldn't have that kind of reaction "well it only says here to say something about her eyes" And Hiro has a personality, if it were an AI, (which I don't think it is) It'd have to be a "dumb" smart" AI, and if an AI gave dating advice, it wouldn't be from one single source, and then Kamal would have to give the Ai instructions, and Kamal seemed shocked when he heard it was from a book.
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thebruce wrote:
ok, Hiro isn't an AI... for one, after the date the two of them go back to one their residences... two, Hiro's voice sounds synthetic during the date because we're hearing him through Kamal's earpiece... three, at the residence, Hiro has a beer waiting for him... four, Kamal physically flips through the book Hiro was reading from. Speculation beyond that is way out there and just doesn't flow with common sense...
yes, there's always room for speculation... just being the devil's advocate...


Hiro's voice sounds synthetic when they're back at the residence too (as in when he says "Oh, you have another date," like I mentioned previously). Now I think we all agree that whether or not Hiro is an AI is really superfluous, but for the sake of argument, I say he that he is, and that getting a beer, talking like a 20-something, providing information out of a book, and all that Hiro does is well within the sphere of an AI - after all, maybe the Hiroyuki AI was created from a brain scan of a friend of Kamal's (possibly a friend that was going to die and was named Hiroyuki). I don't know, just some speculation that doesn't matter one way or another, but I thought I'd continue to argue it.
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 		Good point. I can see what you mean about Hiroyuki's synthetic sounding voice. Still, synthetic voicing isn't the hallmark of Haloverse AIs. Cortana speaks clearly, and sounds like normal human being. Although, she's a military grade AI.

And that brings up another question. If Hiroyuki is an AI, he sounds pretty "smart". AIs, especially "smart" ones, are in short supply in the Haloverse, so why would some nothing med-student have one?

Still, I think Hiroyuki talking over the CN makes sense. Hiroyuki could've contacted the programs controlling Kamal's apartment to have a cold beer ready and waiting on the table when Kamal gets home. Who knows?

I think Kamal going, "I don't know!" just shows how over his head he is.

Binarius wrote:
First, some door opening, closing, a zip on a leather jacket or container... and immediately keystrokes. Too fast to have been after entering a room, if you ask me...


But, why is it to fast? Are you worried about start-up time. But, don't forget, the houses are automated. Would it be too much of a stretch to assume that computers start up faster in the future, that it started-up automatically when he entered the apartment, and that he just left his jacket drapped over a chair near the computer?

Binarius wrote:
Why is Kamal describing it, instead of, I don't know, turning the screen for Sophia to see..?


Well, that's assuming there's a screen in future. Part of the interaction could be taking place over a piece of hardware equivalent to a CNI, some sort of implant. After all, all officers get one. Perhaps it wouldn't be impossible for a civilian to get one, but it still feels like a stretch.

Still, I think the point stands. Why are we assuming Kamal is using a screen?

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chaotic_mind wrote:
I can see what you mean about Hiroyuki's synthetic sounding voice. Still, synthetic voicing isn't the hallmark of Haloverse AIs. Cortana speaks clearly, and sounds like normal human being. Although, she's a military grade AI.

If you want to hear a pattern in chaos, your mind will eventually think there is... you'll hear what you want to hear. The first time I heard the theory, I listened to the voice, and I could hear what started this theory, but the longer I listened, the more he sounded like a regular person, in intonation, quality, physical position, etc. If you listen to him talk with the presupposition that it's synthetic, it'll sound slightly synthetic. If not, it won't. Since it's not quite obviously synthetic, I'm still 99% inclined to believe Hiro is a human (and likely Oriental)

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And that brings up another question. If Hiroyuki is an AI, he sounds pretty "smart". AIs, especially "smart" ones, are in short supply in the Haloverse, so why would some nothing med-student have one?

Another good point. One with which I have no need to argue with Wink

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Still, I think Hiroyuki talking over the CN makes sense. Hiroyuki could've contacted the programs controlling Kamal's apartment to have a cold beer ready and waiting on the table when Kamal gets home. Who knows?

You do see how much of a stretch you're all trying to take this right? There's no reason according to the plot that Hiro would be an AI. Why? What's the point? Hiro is a friend of Kamal giving him dating advice from a book, which is in the residence, and which Kamal picks up and flips through. Occam's Razor...

I will concede the possibility however, that Hiro may be an AI android or robot of some kind. Even that seems pointless. All I allude to is that Hiro IS a physical being, human or otherwise, not just a program...
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