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[SPEC][INFO]The Princess, definitive thread
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GunsmithCat
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hamatoyoshi wrote:
I think another link that could come in to play is the idea of The Myth of Comatas where The Operator a.k.a. Queen a.k.a. Melissa (which happens to mean "honeybee" in Greek) is the caretaker for the Sleeping Princess. This would agree with the idea of the Princess becoming the next Queen.[/url]


Funny, I don't think I've mentioned this in the official thread Smile

The Comatas myth matches the description of an ONI cyropod nearly perfectly. In the myth, a goatherder is trapped in a wooden casket and survives by being fed honey until someone releases him. In the Haloverse, a person is placed in a cyropod and survives by being fed a mucus-like substance until someone release them.

My spec is that Melissa was in charge of the cyropod until the shipwreck - and that Sleeping Princess is somekind of remnant of that particular process.

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 		Re: The Myth of Comatas
GunsmithCat wrote:
The Comatas myth matches the description of an ONI cyropod nearly perfectly. In the myth, a goatherder is trapped in a wooden casket and survives by being fed honey until someone releases him. In the Haloverse, a person is placed in a cyropod and survives by being fed a mucus-like substance until someone release them.

My spec is that Melissa was in charge of the cyropod until the shipwreck - and that Sleeping Princess is somekind of remnant of that particular process.

According to Dana, the "Myth of Comatas" story was on ilovebees.com long before any AI showed up, from the Haloverse or otherwise.
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 		Right, but the image for the myth has been corrupted (possibly by the Sleeping Princess), so there could be a reason it got the attention of an AI.

It's collaborated with parts of the killer.jpg text:

Quote:

Question:

fed her with?

Answers:

honey
honey
honey
honey


And also fits nicely into this recipe:

Quote:

When cool, put in an airtight container and store in a cool, dark place. and take four to six tablespoons a day.


And while yes, the cough medicine recipe was there as well, we don't have a copy of the original text.

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 		Okay, a bit of random spec here, sorry about this, but it's the best place I figure I can post this. And, I know, it's gonna get trouted for some reason that I havn't figured out quite yet. And, this is, quite really, wild speculation on my part here, since I'm not to familiar with the Halo books. Might have to get them, eventually. So, before I start into this rant here, let me make a disclaimer. I'm not sure about some of the assumtions that I make in this. I don't know if the ship did indeed us multiple AIs for different tasks, such as the ones mentioned below, since I havn't read the books, or actually played through all of Halo, since I don't have it for my computer yet, and I've been relying on my friend's X-box to play it. But, anyways, here goes:

So, on the main page, the countdown is to "Wide Awake and Physical." This leads me to two things here - the first being a question of how the AI, or what ever is in the system, is going to become "physical". If it's stuck in this day and age, then there isn't much way for it to become physical, as the Queen, or The Operator states in the monolouge, I belive. No access to pretty much anything from the current system. So, clearly, either the entity has a plan, or should have a plan, on how to become physical, or there's an problem with the programming of said entity.

And, this leads to the second musing on my part here: who would this entity happen to be? From the "WIDE AWAKE AND PHYSICAL", one part seems to stand out to me; the "WIDE AWAKE" could easly be another clue. Could the awakening entity be the Sleeping Princess? It seems to fit in my mind, at least a slight bit. Now, this leads to another point - the purpose of the Queen. The Queen seems to be under repair from what we can tell, by SPDR. SPDR has no other purpose than this. Queen, whom I think I'll call Melissa now, since I just remembered that's her name, calls herself nothing more than a weapon, in this quote:

Quote:
But that's life when a weapon is what you are.


But, in the same monolouge, she also says that she was once something more, more useful. Now, looking at it, it made me think, are we interpreting this right: Is she really just a weapon first and formost right now? Yes, she says that. Was she always that? No. She seems to have had other fuctions in the past. One other think irks me about the monolouge, so I'm gonna slip that into my little rambling post here:

Quote:
Traitor? Fifth columnist (no that's ridiculous).


She repeats herself right here. Go to dictionary.com, and you'll find out taht Fifth Columnist means a traitor. Seems a bit strange to me. Anyways, back on topic here.

Melissa calls herself a weapon. She also seems to state, from my interpretation of the texts, that she always had that function as the primary function of her programming. Now, it seems that the rest of it has deteriorated. So, from this, could we assume that Melissa was a security-controlling AI onboard the ship that she served on? This would indeed account for her recording the conversations.

Okay, so now, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say that you're wanting me to make my point here. From all of these leaps comes one thing: because of the possibility of Melissa indeed being a weapons/security AI, instead of a main AI from the ship, would change around the view of the Sleeping Princess. So, going from that point of view, here comes the point of this rant.

Melissa wasn't the main AI, the Princess was. Possibly, if this ship was an older one, this might've been the case. The Princess might've been the navigation, life support, and such, and the Flea could have been communications, and the like, which would fit with it's intercepting the emails. Now, Melissa is the first stage of awakening the Princess, because of the security issue. If the Princess is awakened, and she has no way to defend herself, or no one to defend her, then she could easly be attacked, captured or destroyed, all of which might be considered a bad way to go by SPDR. So, the princess is left in her state, with the Flea being her line of communication with us. Melissa is only acting against Dana because Dana 'attacked' her, not on purpose, we're assuming, and Melissa sees that as a threat to the Princess. Now, I know that the names of the Queen and Princess seem to be backwards here, so I'm not even going to try defending from that standpoint.

Finally, we come to this point here, of hopefully thwarting an attack point. Say that the Pillar of Autumn, which I belive was the ship's name in Halo, had a system like this. Why did Master Chief only get Cortana? Well, from what I've gleened from other posts, Cortana was an advanced AI, well ahead of every other one. So, from this, I'm guessing that the Pillar didn't have any of these other AIs on here. Also, all three of them, could indeed be part of the same AI, possibly under melissa, just different subroutines of hers. So, she could be awakened slowly by this method too. SPDR is an auto repair program, and it's going through Melissa repairing the parts that need repairing, and in the end, patch them back together, awakening the Sleeping Princess, and assuming that it WILL, in the end, find a mobile physical form to travel in.

Anyways, that's just my little waste of time, nothing better to do, style rant here. If any of you actually bothered to read through the whole thing, congratulations. Have fun proving me wrong, since most of you probably know a bit more than I do about the Haloverse.
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Melissa calls herself a weapon. She also seems to state, from my interpretation of the texts, that she always had that function as the primary function of her programming. Now, it seems that the rest of it has deteriorated. So, from this, could we assume that Melissa was a security-controlling AI onboard the ship that she served on?


No, you can't assume that. Melissa says (while delirious), "I was always a fine sailor; they said my navigation was celestial.", which tends to indicate that she had navigational responsibilities.
Her calling herself a weapon may well just be a metaphor - in the same way you could say a soldier is a weapon in the hands of their commander.

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 		Ahah. I see. I guess I missed that part when I was reading the monolouge over. ^_^;;; Whoops. Guess that nulls out my theory, then.
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 		Yeah, you can't just rely on [URL=http://bees.netninja.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Operator%27s_Monologue]the Operator's Monologue[/URL] for info on Melissa. The [URL=http://bees.netninja.com/wiki/index.php?title=Mayday_Text]Mayday Text[/URL] also has a whole bunch of relevant and very interesting information.
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 		GunsmithCat, I like your theory... it's still up for grabs, and I'm certain that tomorrow will bring some awesome changes and shake the bedrock of all we believe in, and probably will kill some gerbils or something, but I do like the idea that the Comtas myth may be one of the reasons that the AI or whatever was drawn to ILB...


(*Edit - Do not kill gerbils. Thanks... -The Management)
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I stumbled onto this while researching the meanings of various key words. Seems to me that some form of robot would be very desirable to SP and/or Melissia.

Anyone out there know LOGO?
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 		Re: LOGO
Aelith wrote:
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Small computer-controlled wheeled robot. The turtle's movements are determined by programs written by a computer user, typically using the high-level programming language LOGO.


I stumbled onto this while researching the meanings of various key words. Seems to me that some form of robot would be very desirable to SP and/or Melissia.

Anyone out there know LOGO?

Yep. Whoever created http://www.ilovebeer.org knows LOGO. You remember the SPDR computer code on ILB during Phase 1? Well, the corresponding stuff on ilovebeer.org appears to be written in LOGO. Laughing

Edit to fix link
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 		Oh Ho! lol. Thanks
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asute_falcon wrote:
Finally, we come to this point here, of hopefully thwarting an attack point. Say that the Pillar of Autumn, which I belive was the ship's name in Halo, had a system like this. Why did Master Chief only get Cortana? Well, from what I've gleened from other posts, Cortana was an advanced AI, well ahead of every other one. So, from this, I'm guessing that the Pillar didn't have any of these other AIs on here.


I quote from The Fall of Reach

The Fall of Reach wrote:
"Really?" Keyes was surprised; getting a single AI was tough enough these days. Getting two was unprecedented.


Further, the Pillar of Autumn was on a special mission. Cortana was not a simple ship AI. She had been created to break into Covenant systems, and was the best human AI in that field. Master Chief and Cortana share an inimate linkage that MC can't share with anyother AI, nor can Cortana share with any other Spartan. Thus, anyold ship's AI would've been deleted in such a situation, I think.

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