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(SPEC) Helping the Pious Flea/ Sleeping Princess learn
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Macavity
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 		I think the individual emails idea is better.

So far, I've sent it four emails:

#1 was an attempt to get a response by using commands based onthose in the log.

#2 was a letter explaining what we're trying to do and requesting more information about the problem.

#3 and #4 contained song lyrics - 3 was "Snoopy's Christmas", by The Royal Guardsmen, #4 was "Turtle Power" by M. C. Hammer (yeah, cheesy, I know, but it was on the radio).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:52 pm
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 		Re: (SPEC) Helping the Pious Flea/ Sleeping Princess learn
Bellebet wrote:
>.> wrote:
Trout me if this hasn't been said before, but do you think it's the same AI replying to the e-mails, as the one who's answering questions in the Killer.jpg images? Because that one seems also to be using snippets of text.


I'll trout you, but gently. That's how we think the Pious Flea is trying to talk to us, without The Operator noticing.

AHA! Idea Something just clicked (if it's right): the reason that the Flea (if it is he, and I'm now leaning thataway) can use only our own e-mails to communicate with us. Remember this code?

Code:
net:
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!packet analysis
chatter protocol ancestor
!parse packet
analysis complete
!route
proc attach proc store

And remember this comment from the Operator, just before she grabs control of Dana's webcam input?

The Operator wrote:
Whoa. Not CP ancestor packets. This is something different. Quick quick quick quick - parse this protocol and find some kind of eyeball out.

I SPECulate that the "CP ancestor packets" are our incoming e-mails! SPDR stores them as old ["ancestor"] and irrelevant data ["chatter"], and then ignores them -- which means that the Flea can use them to communicate with us without risk of being found.

Whaddya think?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:44 pm
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 		Re: (SPEC) Helping the Pious Flea/ Sleeping Princess learn
Shad0 wrote:
I SPECulate that the "CP ancestor packets" are our incoming e-mails! SPDR stores them as old ["ancestor"] and irrelevant data ["chatter"], and then ignores them -- which means that the Flea can use them to communicate with us without risk of being found.

Whaddya think?


Shad0, I like it. It might be wise to go back through the computer code and try to explain it as thoroughly as possible.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:15 pm
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 		Not quite the way I read it.
Quote:
net:
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop

This is the SPDR sorting through data streams on the network.
(in the metaphor, it was collecting fireflies so it could 'see' in the dark of the sand Hell)
Quote:

!attach
act | drop
!packet analysis
chatter protocol ancestor

This is the SPDR finding something of note, a stream that its analysis detects to be using a protocol which is an ancestor of what the SPDR recognizes as 'chatter'.
Quote:

!parse packet
analysis complete

Here it figures out the structure and contents of the protocol
Quote:

!route
proc attach proc store

And here it decides to attach the email procedure to the storage procedure.
So the SPDR is saving the email.
And as I read it, this happened just before the SPDR set the countdown and warning on www.ilovebees.com. This was phase1 - long before the camera came into the picture.

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 		Re: (SPEC) Helping the Pious Flea/ Sleeping Princess learn
Roc wrote:
Quote:
!packet analysis
chatter protocol ancestor

This is the SPDR finding something of note, a stream that its analysis detects to be using a protocol which is an ancestor of what the SPDR recognizes as 'chatter'.
Quote:
!parse packet
analysis complete

Here it figures out the structure and contents of the protocol
Quote:
!route
proc attach proc store

And here it decides to attach the email procedure to the storage procedure.
So the SPDR is saving the email.
And as I read it, this happened just before the SPDR set the countdown and warning on www.ilovebees.com. This was phase1 - long before the camera came into the picture.

Agreed, but I assume that SPDR is treating all incoming e-mails pretty much the same way, sending them to storage -- which may be how the Flea (or whoever) concluded that it would be safe to start using the stored e-mails for his own purposes. And you can't really blame the comparatively limited SPDR for deciding that the e-mails were unimportant. After all, they are all dated 2004, so they clearly must be "ancestor" packets. Mr. Green
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 		Why not send it text from one of the Halo books? See if any of THAT rings a bell. Shocked

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 		Re: (SPEC) Helping the Pious Flea/ Sleeping Princess learn
Shad0 wrote:

Agreed, but I assume that SPDR is treating all incoming e-mails pretty much the same way, sending them to storage -- which may be how the Flea (or whoever) concluded that it would be safe to start using the stored e-mails for his own purposes. And you can't really blame the comparatively limited SPDR for deciding that the e-mails were unimportant. After all, they are all dated 2004, so they clearly must be "ancestor" packets. Mr. Green


Brilliant, Mr. Holmes, simply brilliant - and stunning in its simplicity!

(Of course those of us who think that - myself included - may be dead wrong, but it's a beautiful bit of logic.)
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alcaponexb wrote:
Why not send it text from one of the Halo books? See if any of THAT rings a bell. Shocked


That might tip SPDR off that the "ancestor packets" aren't as old as he thinks.

Better we stay to somewhat unrelated subjects until PF/SP have learned a bit more.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:06 pm
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 		Operator finds non-CP ancestor packets
I'm new to the ARG scene so this may be totally off-base but I interpreted the operator conversation:

Quote:
Whoa. Not CP ancestor packets. This is something different. Quick quick quick quick - parse this protocol and find some kind of eyeball out. Sister you just made a mistake because this is my *meat* this is what I do and you are - GOT IT. I'm not asleep this time, /// sweetheart. Holding the eyeball gently but firmly in your right hand, say the magic words and: ///

SURPRISE! Look up and smile, honey. Bang! Bang! Bang!

Got the drop on you that time, sweetheart.

Opening shot of my search and destroy. I'm going to know everything about you. Where you live and what you buy, how you think and who you love. Know the enemy.


to mean that it found a way to connect to the webcam in Dana's computer. It stumbles across a way to grab images from the webcam and then starts talking about knowing the enemy and such. 'Eyeball' is mentioned twice and seems to be the way the operator refers to a way to observer the outside world. ("some kind of eyeball out") The "Bang! Bang! Bang!" may be the taking of pictures with the webcam given the surrounding "SURPRISE! Look up and smile, honey" and all the 'I'm going to know you' comments.

Seems CP could stand for Chatter Protocol as mentioned before by the spider.

Probably a trout but that's the way I interpreted it.

-CrimsonShadow (Trying to register but not getting a confirmation e-mail Smile )

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 		Well, the protocol is an ancestor (whadda you think the UNSC uses? think IPv6 is ready by 2525?), and note the SPDR didn't seem to be concerned about content.

I agree, it seems to simply be spooling the chatter to storage, probably so the Queen can leaf through it when she's ready. Not to necessarily suggest the Queen is answering the emails, as that would make no sense. But it would make sense for the SPDR to store them for her. Since it seems to be storing anything it can get its metaphorical mandibles on.

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 		Or maybe 'eyeball' IS the webcam.
Anyone tried sending mails in different languages and see how it reacts?

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 		stuff about cp packets and the webcam is trout.

check out http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4905.
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 		We could also tell it what year it is in.

I think that would help a little bit.

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 		If we tell what year it is, who would that help? Are we even sure of who we should be helping? Just some thoughts on it all.
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 		Look at it this way: if you were suddenly sent back five hundred years into the fifteenth century, and everyone around you was speaking in a way you didn't understand, and there were hundreds of customs and practices that made no sense to you, wouldn't you appreciate it if someone pulled you aside and said "hey, it's 1504. So, whatever you're doing? Cut it out. You look like an arse."

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