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Anselan · Greenhorn Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 8

Marathon AI's don't expand indefinately, UNLESS they have a network to support that. Otherwise, they have the potential to think theirselves into an apparent state of autism(rampancy).

The big question I have is where the 7 years to think itself to death/rampancy statement comes from. I've searched on the Wiki - and the only thing I come up with is references to the it as fact, no real reference is listed.

Is this knowledge from the books? Because it's not Marathon Knowledge (otherwise, they never would've made long term, multi-generation colony ships with static AIs) - and it's definitely not from Halo itself.

I'm curious if this was actually just misinterpreted at some point, and now we're taking it as fact.

**Posted:** Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:23 pm

voipme · Veteran Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 94

Interesting. I tore through the Fall of Reach in a couple days, and I just now realized something. When the Master Chief was getting the final "training" involving the MJOLNIR armor, there was no mention of any of the other Spartans at all. They were there, they just didn't get the attention from the author that the Master Chief did.

Secondly, when Reach was "glassed" (at least I think it was), I believe it was Captain Keyes that informed the Master Chief that all of the other Spartans had died on Reach. Here's about where my spec comes in.

On second thought, maybe not, because I'd be contraticting some of my other specs. I was going to suggest that perhaps not all of the Spartans died on Reach. If that were true, and we were seeing the AI of one of the Spartans (aka Melissa) being rebuilt...well, you can finish it from there. But I don't like how that fits. Rackspace holding a cryogenically frozen super-soldier mysteriously transported from 500 years into the future? No dice.

EDIT: My post got really out of context somehow.

**Posted:** Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:24 pm

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hodges · Boot Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 10 Location: Annapolis, MD

Most of the SPARTANs on Reach end up surviving, check out the novel First Strike for more details on what happened after the battle of Reach.

Suffice it to say that the Covies didn't glass the entire planet. They were looking for an object that ended up bending space/time so that the Master Chief could meet up with it. The MC got it, hooked up with the survivng SPARTANs and got out of there.

Towards the end of the novel, Cortana copies herself to help out the MC. The copies end up going pretty much nuts.

**Posted:** Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:30 pm

voipme · Veteran Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 94

**Posted:** Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:32 pm

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**Posted:** Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:32 pm

hodges · Boot Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 10 Location: Annapolis, MD

**Posted:** Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:37 pm

Scumbag · Decorated Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 214

**Posted:** Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:50 pm

Anselan · Greenhorn Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 8

Awesome, I really appreciate this sort of treament right out of the gate. First reply to any of my messages more or less calls me a moron.

Thanks.

Considering I was quoting another thread on the page when it came to the autism question:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5009&highlight=autism&sid=a8a35b0501812577c0b124663d22902a

I didn't figure it would be such a big deal, but apparently you didn't read that thread and find the time to treat the other guy like dirt as well. I also never said that expansion was their normal state of being, but I guess next time I'll have to spell absolutely everything out rather then commenting on the topic. (I was merely stating that in order to go rampant they needed to have a powerful network)

By "Think itself to death/rampancy" I was refering to the 7 year barrier that has been brought up. And again, I was quoting resources found from here. I never said they went rampant/thought themselves to death in 7 years.

http://bees.netninja.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Queen says "Mellisa appears to follow the path of Rampancy, but at other times she does seem fairly sane. She is over 7 years old though, which implies Rampancy. But it also implies that she should've been destroyed. Why hasn't she? "

I guess I'll relegate myself to lurker again, as apparently raising what I felt was an honest question is only meet by ignoring or belittlement.

**Posted:** Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:20 pm

Scumbag · Decorated Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 214

I didn't call you a moron - I said you were wrong.

Looking back, I do seem a bit harsh, but look at it from my view: When examining something like this, it is fundamental to have a modicum of knowledge of the Marathon and Halo backstories. When one hears fundamentally wrong information being thrown about, it tends to get... irritating.

**Posted:** Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:41 pm

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