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[META] Jumping to conclusions?
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But that would mean that HALO is real life! they use bullets and grenades!
Erm, which point from above posts are you refering too?
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THE WEAPONS ARE THE SAME!
What weapon is the same as what? Teh only mentioned weapon at the moment is the pulse laser.

[quoteThat "Puma" is basicly just a Jeep or a Hummer. That makes HALO = THE REAL UNIVERSE!
Erm.. AFAIK the "puma" (Or Warthog as is it's name in Halo) hasn't been mentioned anywhere on ILB at all.

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Heat + Sand = Glass
Yes, but without using Halo, what does glassing mean?

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Why is it so important that this be HALO related?
It isn't! It's just pointing in that general direction!

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Until I get an in-game refrence to something specific in the HALO universe.. like "Ring world" or "halo".. I have a hard time believeing that they would make it that easy.
So if it said "ringworld" or "Halo" you'd then believe it would be about Halo 2? Could it not be about the Ringworld books instead?

Almost nothing is unique in a "story" anymore. If however you get multiple references that fit in with the same world (And also individually link into other worlds) then I'd be tempted to following the pattern of best fit, and like it or not, the current pattern of best fit is Halo.[/quote]


The point I am trying to make with mentioning things that are in HALO and saying that it has to be real life, is that you're seeing things in this game and saying they have to be HALO!

Without HALO existing, I know that heat+sand=glass. Your point?

It could also point to an AI getting loose from anywhere. Anywhere at all.

Pluse lasers? We have lasers that can shoot down mortar shells and ones mounted on airplanes to shoot down missiles.

Lasers don't only exist in HALO.
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 		I reckon it's definitely Halo-connected, but I'd be surprised if any major pre-existing characters appear.

Halo universe, but unlikely to be Halo characters. If that makes sense. Very Happy

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:26 am
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So there has been only one place called Reach.. forever?



You want to apply the Razor?

Well, the evidence we have points to an AI being loose on the internet.

THAT'S IT!


So why twist all the facts that you have to apply to HALO?

What about the 7s? Bungie does not only mean HALO.

NO!!! Where the hell has Reach been mentioned in ILB?

Are you TOTALLY missing what I am saying?!
There is a lot of text taken from ILB. Each individual part could mean anything. However each part also has a link to Halo! Yes, it also could be linked to something else (Let's letter them, X, Y etc)

If you have 3 lines of text:

line 1 could mean: Halo, X, Y or F
line 2 could mean: G, B, Halo or Y
line 3 could mean: Q, Halo, R, G or T

Now, given that all three lines have come from the same source, what would you think the whole thing was related too?

PATTERN OF BEST FIT. This DOESN'T mean that it IS Halo. As more "lines" become available then more of the picture will be revealed. It may end up that half of the stuff on ILB links in with Halo 1, the other half links in with Halo 2, but as a whole it actually means a completely new thing. As it stands though it's thought to be Halo (As a whole)

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 		How can you say it's the halo universe?

Can you PROVE that?

What evidence, other than the things I proved can exist right now or 2 years from now, shows that it's related to the HALO universe. Which happens hundreds of years in the future.
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Lasers don't only exist in HALO.

No shit, but coupled with EVERYTHING ELSE, it hints further and further that it is.

One piece of the puzzle is not enough, look at all pieces at the same time.

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How can you say it's the halo universe?

Can you PROVE that?

What evidence, other than the things I proved can exist right now or 2 years from now, shows that it's related to the HALO universe. Which happens hundreds of years in the future.
No, I can't prove it. I can't prove the sun will rise tomorrow morning either, and I can't prove that universe popped into existance 2 minutes ago. Proving anything is SERIOUSLY tough going.
What do we have in this puzzle that distinguishes us NOW from us in the Halo time line?
PULSE lasers. Not normal lasers, PULSE. Difference. AIs. AFAIK, we don't have anything boardering on AIs, except on the most absolute basic level.
And IIRC on LVB there's a mention of Slipspace, something we DEFINATLY can't get into yet.

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 		hallo guys,

has anybody read The Fall of Reach- by Eric Nylund
it is a prequel to halo, it shows more about the beginings of master chief.
my guess, in halo 2 there will be some link to master chiefs' past. also some there might be something that clicks in there.

am i about to be slapped with the fish? Razz

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 		Lutzie, just ignore No, he's consistently proved himself to be a troll on this subject. Console yourself with the fact that he's the only one who's actively anti-Halo - the clues are there, and Halo is the most probable "grounding point" for this ARG, and everyone seems to see that bar him.

However, I think people should ignore Halo as a game, as it's detracting from ILB. Just use it as the universe for the ARG, the basis for drawing conclusions.

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firefox wrote:
hallo guys,

has anybody read The Fall of Reach- by Eric Nylund
it is a prequel to halo, it shows more about the beginings of master chief.
my guess, in halo 2 there will be some link to master chiefs' past. also some there might be something that clicks in there.

am i about to be slapped with the fish? Razz

Yes! Very Happy

/slaps with a fish.

Yes, I've read Fall of Reach, the Flood and First Strike.
The only enigma from the PoV of the chief was how he could read the control panals etc on Halo. That may be revealed in H2. But I'm afraid that this has probably got nothing to do with ILB.

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 		Halo references, one at a time, nice and bullet-pointed for you:

1. Appearance in Halo 2 trailer - Pretty damn obvious

2. Reference to ONI (Admittedly, we have that in our time as well)

3. Reference to ONI spacecraft (We certainly don't have those)

4. Reference to said ONI spacecraft being a scout-ship (light picket, to be precise) running under the disguise of a pleasure yacht - It seems this is a popular tactic for ONI in the Halo universe as well.

5. Constant reference to ONI AI constructs, and them being able to appear as holograms (More direct shades of Halo)

6. Reference to colony worlds in peril (Cornerstone of the Halo universe)

7. Reference to colony world getting 'glassed' (More direct Halo shades, although it's worth noting that 'Glassing' is a somewhat more universal sci-fi term used to describe what happens when a planet is bombarded so heavily that parts of the surface melt and are turned to glass)

8. Reference to weapons such as pulse lasers (General sci-fi, but it seems unlikely they'd put a reference in a Halo trailer, and then invent a completely new sci-fi universe that just happens to have a lot in common with Halo)

9. As mentioned, reference to a Seraph-class fighter, being equipped with said pulse lasers. - The Seraph is the standard combat fighter of the Covenant armada. They give religious names to all their craft, the largest known so far (and destroyed now in the books) would be the gigantic station 'Unyeilding Heirophant'.

10. Constant appearances of 777's and 343's and powers of 7 among the site - Bungies calling card (Bungie make Halo)

So... We have a lot of evidence that points towards this story being set in the Halo universe.

We have no solid evidence that points in any other direction.

So, by common logic, and a little occams razor, this is Halo related.

Now, would you nimrods stop trying to disprove every piece of coherent evidence we've gotten? Progress is GOOD. Double-backing on all that we know so far is only going to slow us down.

And just to remind people, during the previous phase of the game I was telling people to IGNORE links to Halo until we had some more evidence to prove those theories.

Now we have evidence, and suddenly people come out of the woodwork to disprove it! Rolling Eyes

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 		thank you
Well put.

Although I doubt it will convince the doubters.

-max

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No. wrote:
Until I get an in-game refrence to something specific in the HALO universe.. like "Ring world" or "halo".. I have a hard time believeing that they would make it that easy.


The Operator's monologue refers to Reach burning in the distance.
Reach was a planet in the Halo universe, glassed by the Covenant armada, which from orbit would give it the appearance of burning.

I'm sure you kind find plenty of reason to see "Reach burning" as something else, but I'd like to see it make sense.

Edit: I failed to read more recent posts, my apologies. Further, I couldn't find the command to delete this post. Again, my apologies.

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Until I get an in-game refrence to something specific in the HALO universe.. like "Ring world" or "halo".. I have a hard time believeing that they would make it that easy.


Here's what gets me.

On one hand, you're demanding that to prove that it's set in the Halo universe, we need direct reference to the events of the games and/or novels.

And yet on the other hand, you say that you can't believe they'd make it that easy. Is it too easy already? if it is, then why do you need direct, even easier reference?

In short: What is your major malfunction?

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 		There's also the fact that we hear of Melissa Greene in the Halo novels....

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There's also the fact that we hear of Melissa Greene in the Halo novels....

Hm... may knowledge of the books is a bit hazy... Who was she?

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 		I don't remember her...

Anyhow - all we know is the name 'Melissa'. And if she was in the books, she certainly wasn't an AI. In the books, Cortana is supposed to be the first (and currently only) 'Smart' AI generated from a cloned human brain, so it seems unlikely.

My name is John - doesn't mean I'm the Master Chief Razz

So yeah - all evidence points to this being a story set in the Halo universe, but telling the tale of new characters and new events, rather than retreading old ground.

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