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[SPEC] Pious Flea = Guilty Spark?
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troutfishing
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[SPEC] Pious Flea = Guilty Spark?

Ok, I've only been following this for a few days, so if I get flammed for this because it's stupid or was discussed two weeks ago I understand...

Anyhow, this occurred to me after playing through Halo 1 again. After the whole ending sequence we see 353 Guilty Spark puttering after the Master Chief and Cortana. From this we can safely conclude that he/it should appear in Halo 2 is some capacity.

Now, I think it's pretty clear that the Queen/Operator/Melissa is an AI and the roles of the Spider and The Assassin/Dana are pretty clear. The only question marks really are the Sleeping Princess and the Pious Flea.

The Princess is a huge question, and obviously central to the story. But the Flea is sort of peripheral and I get the feeling from the text that it isn't really in league with any of the other entities in the story.

There is speculation that it is responding to the ladybee777SPLAThotmail.com account and also the killer.jpg text. But this is not conclusive. Those responses could could have come from several of the other entities, most notably the Operator. It seems the Pious Flea is just watching, maybe learning. This seems to be in keeping with Guily Spark's behaviour in Halo. And, ultimately, the moniker of "Pious Flea" just seems in keeping with the whole look, sound, and personality of Guilty Spark.

If anyone can think of a reason why this is impossible, or of anything that supports it, let me know. If this is a waste of space, my apologies.

TF

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I'd be pretty surprised if the Guilty Spark has anything to do with this at all. Clearly this is all leading up to Halo 2, and from what we know of Halo 2 so far, the Covenant are invading Earth. I would wager that the Pious Flea is somehow Covenant related rather than Flood related.

I wouldn't rule out that the Flood might make an appearance in Halo 2, but if they do it would be in a plot twist in the Halo 2 game, whereas this ARG seems to be building to how the Covenant found Earth, and the invasion thereafter.

It's not a bad thought that the flea is GS343, but it's been brought up, and I don't think it has held much water. Just trying to keep ya from getting on a dead-end tangent.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:40 pm
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Ooops! I mixed up Guilty Spark's number too...

Guilty Spark isn't the Flood but Forerunner tech. We probably won't see the Flood again but I'm pretty sure there will be more about the Forerunners in Halo 2...

Also, doesn't the Castaway's description remind anyone of the Master Chief? The soldier-like description would suit him and a "castaway" is ecatly what he was at the end of Halo 1. And the idea of the castaway being already "married" could relate to him already being associated with the Cortana AI, leaving the Melissa AI feeling left out (aw shucks).

If Melissa's ship had picked up the Master Chief then Guilty Spark would have tagged along as well. Of course, the Chief would have to have avoided the destruction of Melissa's ship somehow...

Maybe this is all junk. But I can't help but think the whole ILB mystery will prove to be VERY directly tied in in Halo 2.

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I dont have any url's or anything but it has been said that the flood WILL be in halo 2 that has been announced

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First off, I'm not saying I think the Pious Flea is 343GS. I don't think there has been enough definitive evidence to say that's the case. I'm just here to make an observation. Accordind to Webster's Dictionary the definition of pious is;

pious (adjective): showing loyal reverence for a person or thing; dutiful

Now, it could just be me, but that seems to describe 343GS pretty well to me. And personally, if someone destroyed an object that I worshipped and was in charge of taking care of, not to mention my home for who knows how many millennia, I'd be just a little pissed. (And if you can't tell there is alot of sarcasm in that last part.) I would hunt that no good sorry SOB down and do many unspeakable and definitely painful things to them and make sure it lasted a long, long , really long time. But I may have an overdeveloped sense of justice/vengence, I don't know. Just my thoughts.
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Currently Guilty Spark is 25,000 light years away. Plus if you look at the time line we won't blow Halo for a very long long time.

But if you say Guilty Spark went back in time using forerunner tech or Halo 04 you would also be mistaken. Namely because Halo was destroyed along with its pulse reactors. That leaves Guilty with no power for forerunner tech and his little gravity pulse hover for propulsion.

So I could go on but in summary… Guilty Spark isn't guilty of this internet crime.
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troutfishing wrote:
Also, doesn't the Castaway's description remind anyone of the Master Chief? The soldier-like description would suit him and a "castaway" is ecatly what he was at the end of Halo 1. And the idea of the castaway being already "married" could relate to him already being associated with the Cortana AI, leaving the Melissa AI feeling left out (aw shucks).

If Melissa's ship had picked up the Master Chief then Guilty Spark would have tagged along as well. Of course, the Chief would have to have avoided the destruction of Melissa's ship somehow...


Wow, that is a good idea! I think the cheif avoided the destruction of Melissa's ship when he jumped out of the airlock shown in September 2002's announcement trailer for halo 2. It begins with a cinematic of the cheif on a ship stocking up on ammo and whatnot and then jumping out to descend on earth. If this speculation is true, i am sure the ship he was escaping from was Melissas ship.
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Could someone tell me where Melissa came from? I just don't remember hearing or seeing anything about her.

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Captain Ferrell wrote:
troutfishing wrote:
Also, doesn't the Castaway's description remind anyone of the Master Chief? The soldier-like description would suit him and a "castaway" is ecatly what he was at the end of Halo 1. And the idea of the castaway being already "married" could relate to him already being associated with the Cortana AI, leaving the Melissa AI feeling left out (aw shucks).

If Melissa's ship had picked up the Master Chief then Guilty Spark would have tagged along as well. Of course, the Chief would have to have avoided the destruction of Melissa's ship somehow...


Wow, that is a good idea! I think the cheif avoided the destruction of Melissa's ship when he jumped out of the airlock shown in September 2002's announcement trailer for halo 2. It begins with a cinematic of the cheif on a ship stocking up on ammo and whatnot and then jumping out to descend on earth. If this speculation is true, i am sure the ship he was escaping from was Melissas ship.



Dude! I'm starting to think we may have a breakthrough (for sorts) here. If that really is Master Chief, I'd be floored. *grins*
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Gram wrote:
Currently Guilty Spark is 25,000 light years away. Plus if you look at the time line we won't blow Halo for a very long long time.


Okay, this is true but Mellissa does not belong here either. Spark could have somehow came with her. Even if he didnt, HE IS FORERUNNER TECHNOLOGY . He may have the ability to do some of these things. But, I dont know

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Highly unlikely.

343GS can speak English well; the entity we believe to be the flea ( killer.jpg author ) cannot.

-Atoner-

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kingchaos2 wrote:
Could someone tell me where Melissa came from? I just don't remember hearing or seeing anything about her.

It comes from a piece of the Operator's most recent monologue. Remember those 21 apparently random rotating links? Turns out you can put them together -- by finding phrases common to each group of seven links -- into a fragment of the Operator's old memory. Discussed and solved in this thread, with the full solution posted in the Wiki. Anyway, part of the fragment shows someone she calls the Castaway calling her "Melissa":

The Operator wrote:
"Melissa", he called me Melissa, never / used my nickname


So we believe that Melissa is the name of the AI that is infesting ILB, and the Operator is her nickname.
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Gram wrote:
Currently Guilty Spark is 25,000 light years away. Plus if you look at the time line we won't blow Halo for a very long long time..



Well actually, Guilty Spark was 'ancient'. Very very old, as are the flood.
So it does make sense that its GS.


And as for his english, perhaps he's broken? Obviously Master Chief/Cortana did some damage.

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Re: [SPEC] Pious Flea = Guilty Spark?

Atoner wrote:
343GS can speak English well; the entity we believe to be the flea ( killer.jpg author ) cannot.

Not necessarily. Current SPEC is that the killer.jpg author is forced to communicate with snippets of text from incoming e-mails, in order to avoid detection by SPDR/Melissa. For all we know, the same entity -- whether the Flea or someone else -- can speak fluent English when not so limited.

(Of course, there is that "reading it in English Strange" comment in killer1, so who knows? Dunno )
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