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[PUZZLE] ladybee777 email 8/03
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Re: TMNT & other insomnia induced tangents...

The Ouroboros wrote:
I've seen this touched upon and in other places scoffed at, but I don't think anyone has pointed to it directly. I can't help but keep thinking that the SP refers to a group of genetically altered and green armored heroes for a reason.


Ooooh... Wink

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I've seen this touched upon and in other places scoffed at, but I don't think anyone has pointed to it directly. I can't help but keep thinking that the SP refers to a group of genetically altered and green armored heroes for a reason.


I'm still convinced that's a red herring, and that it's more to do with the spelling or the word count or something.

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Re: to save time

firefox wrote:
i would like to ask, has anybody notice in the new email, how some of the text is big and some of it is small?
like two separate messages in one.


I'm attaching a file which shows the difference in styles; all extraneous HTML stripped out.

My guess is this isn't a puzzle, just an artifact of a bloated WYSIWYG HTML editor.

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my [spec] is that they copy and pasted every line from the emails we sent them...so the bold was left on. then all they did was change the font face and color, but forgot to mess with the bold. thats all we are seeing right? just bold face?

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I'm a n00b, but I have a couple of comments

1. re font sizes etc: If you look at the source (I think someone posted it earlier in this thread, I'm not gonna waste space doing it again) you'll see an amazing array of different styles. It appears to have been composed in Word/Outlook. (class=MsoNormal is the giveaway), but there are lots of different font tags in there - some use of <strong>, some of <font>, and some of <span>, within that are references to various fonts/sizes - most of it is just dodgy code out of Word, but it's strange that some things are specifically set. Of course, it may also be completely irrelevant and it just depends on what font ppl sent (quoted) emails in..

2. My actual reason for posting: why are we so certainly dismissing the possibility of this being written by the Flea? My first reaction on seeing the email was the Flea - the green text, the (?) symbol and the love, sign off had all been previously agreed on as trademarks of the flea... Someone back on page 4 of this thread suggested that the Flea was communicating on behalf of the Princess, which I think makes more sense. Maybe it doesn't matter a lot, but two things:

i. just because it's 'by the sleeping princess' doesn't mean its literally by her, as other ppl have pointed out
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the "pious flea" and "sleeping princess" (?)
MARK but this flea, and mark in this
don't like it
I can't help it
a proper fool
a bad banana
unimaginable filth and stench; and disease
he can't write his name or read a book

ii. nor does the above quote specifically deride the Flea - it has a quote from John Donne and a disjointed "don't like it/can't help it" (sounds like a 4 year old complaining/offering excuses). 'Unimaginable filth and stench' may refer to the surroundings the writer finds themself in, and 'he can't write his name' doesn't tell us much.

iii. "the Widow will get me" suggests to me the Flea - who has so far managed to evade detection by the Widow (the Widow/the blues walked in and met me)...

3. Also, a lot of this game is reminding me of orson scott card's Ender's Game. The bad guys are the 'buggers' - essentially the imagery is that of a hive of insects - with the queen etc... Tying it into the Halo universe it all gives the feeling that the Hive (covenant i assume) has found its reaches into Earth/our networks...

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Here is my analysis of the strange and wonderous e-mail. Take it as it is.
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The History of Dana

by

The Sleeping Princess



It is the object of this to present The news

What's interesting here is that although most of the e-mail seems to be talking about the life story of the Sleeping Princess herself, the title says it's the history of Dana. I don't believe the specs that have Dana as an AI, but the e-mail tends to have a different meaning if you substitute "Dana" for "Sleeping Princess" and vice versa. The other interesting thing is that although it says it is presenting "The news," the first several parts seem to be backstory.


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Chapter I. The Sleeping Princess friendless and alone



The Sleeping Princess friendless and alone



the queen wishes

The Sleeping Princess

sealed into an airtight container

This makes me think that the Sleeping Princess isn't "sleeping" on her own accord, but that the Queen wants her that way. Why would the Queen want that? Perhaps the Sleeping Princess can pose some threat to her. Personally, I think the airtight container is a metaphor for some corner of the system where she doesn't have access to anything except her own thoughts.

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hiding from the queen

Life is bare, gloom and misery everywhere

Stormy weather, just can't get my poor old self together

This is what the Sleeping Princess has been doing since being sealed in the airtight container. Hiding from the Queen. The stormy weather line seems to relate to the idea of a shipwreck and the Sleeping Princess having similar problems to the Queen in that she isn't all there yet.
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The Widow

the blues walked in and met me

The Widow will get me

the sleeping princess are in hiding

One must be so careful these days.

Unlike the Queen, however, the Sleeping Princess doesn't have an automated repair system. In fact, the Window wants to eliminate the sleeping princess, which indicates that the Sleeping Princess wasn't originally a part of the Queen... an innocent bystander, perhaps? A stowaway in the AI's systems? Again she emphasizes the fact that she is in hiding and must be careful.

Quote:

the "pious flea" and "sleeping princess" (?)

Your guess is as good as mine... but perhaps the question mark indicates that the Sleeping Princess is wondering why we are automatically grouping these two together.
Quote:

MARK but this flea, and mark in this

don't like it

I can't help it

a proper fool

a bad banana

unimaginable filth and stench; and disease

he can't write his name or read a book

A description of the Pious Flea. Obviously, not a very nice guy, and certainly not somebody that the Sleeping Princess wants to be associated with. The disease line may indicate that the Flea is an AI virus... perhaps (since he's Pious) of Covenant origin?

Quote:

I read, much of the night

She read all of our e-mails, and it took her quite a while (we must have sent a ton!

Quote:

Chapter II. Dana friendless and alone

Notice how she titles this chapter the same way that she titled the previous chapter. She likes to draw parallels between herself and Dana, for whatever reason.

Quote:

Dana a friend/good guy.

Dana is not an artificial being. nor is she a program. She is human. She is flesh and blood.

Accepting what we told her...

Quote:

Dana

You're as cuddly as the cat

You're as charming as the butterfly

the favorite of the plebeian masses

The plebeian masses are us, and we like Dana so much because she's the only person we can relate to in this story Wink ... not many of us are intelligent AIs, I assume.
Quote:

Being the friend



you and I together allies, and if the queen pleased thrown into a condition of extreme danger

If the queen gets her way, both the Sleeping Princess and Dana together will be in some deep doo-doo... perhaps at the same time or with each other?
Quote:

"Of course I will stick.

I'll stick by you

though thin and though thick!"

best friend

This one means you're happy: Smile

But the Sleeping Princess will stick together with Dana anyway.

Quote:

Chapter IV



The Sleeping Princess passed through a great variety of scenes, and met with many extraordinary adventures and narrow escapes, which, however, can not be here particularly detailed.

Somehow, I think the adventures here are the chapter three which we can't see. Perhaps she will detail them for us later on?
Quote:

I found

a secret was revealed

I should not be able to make any one understand how exciting it all was.

I brought it home and hid it in a secret place

Obviously, this is the end result of all the adventuring... some sort of secret that she's hid in her "home." Which home? The airtight container (meaning impossible to access from the outside until it's open)? Dana's physical house? (Or maybe Margaret, because it seems to me that that's where the computer is) What I think is most interesting here is the "I should not" because it seems to me that she doesn't want to make anyone understand it, but is going to anyway.

Quote:

Chapter V need help right quick, on the double



when I feel

That I shall never look upon thee more

Her name is Dana.

the house is so sad and lonesome

The Sleeping Princess is lonely now that Dana's gone... and even though the Sleeping Princess is supposed to be in an airtight container, she seems to know about the house...
Quote:

Dana

being persuaded to

come back

to talk

to me

Two interpretations possible here. Either Dana IS being persuaded, or the Sleeping Princess wants US to persuade her. Either way, the result is the same. The Sleeping Princess wants Dana back.

Quote:

Well, I will tell you

that secret

I found



maybe you can help me (?)



T-U-R-T-L-E Power! T-U-R-T-L-E Power! T-U-R-T-L-E Power! Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Power!

It seems to me that the secret is hidden somewhere in these lines, but nothing comes to mind immediately. The Sleeping Princess wants help, however, and I think what she wants help with is getting Dana back.

Quote:

love



*** END: FULL LICENSE ***

Ending it off as we end our own communications.


So why the inconsistencies? Why does the Sleeping Princess know about Dana if she's still in this airtight container? We Spec'd that the Flea told her things, but according to this she doesn't like the Flea very much. My bet is that somehow she escaped, and that is the adventure that she's not telling us about right now.

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slightly o/t but something i noticed...
on the error 404 page, they mispelled URL twice the same way...instead of Universal Resource Link, or URL, its URI this is probably absolutely nothing, but its hard to see, because theres a period after the I that makes it look like an L...
just adding it in...


[edit]
never mind, the URI stands for universal resource identifier, a less common term for URL evidently... never heard of it before though.
[/edit]
boon

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the server

Is the "home" of the email author the server?

If so, does anything we know about how Dana tried to access the server and make repairs to the site help us at all? Can we glean some information from that which may help us find where the secret is hidden?
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I just got a dumb (read: doesn't really help us, but interesting) idea:

I, like all of you, think that the missing chapter three has to somehow reference the missing recipe three. BUT, what if those adventures and narrow escape that can't be detailed here, are actually what's going on now? (or did about a week ago?) You see, Dana was alone, (so was the S.P. and all) and then they meet. (Now, this doesn't mean that SPDR or stuff was necessarily involved yet, or it could be, but follow me here...)

And then, Chapter Three, the chapter we're currently in, happens.

The AI Queen is attempting to hurt Dana, (and the S.P.) and we are all trying to help her... (sounds like an adventure to me), and then just when the AI is becoming stronger, and getting a good feel for its surroundings, and can manipulate the computer/webcam ("This is my MEAT"), when things are dangerous, Dana leaves to China (narrow escape).

So maybe it's telling us how things will be, or how things should be? This kind of lends some more credence then, to the "We need Dana to talk to it, so it will reveal its secret" theory, since that would essentially be the next chronological step... Whaddy'all think?

(*Edit - this is really tenuous, and there's also that line that the Sleeping Princess was who passed through all this (but maybe it's saying it's survived all this, or that it's seen Dana go through this...) I know... it's a highwire of a theory. Neutral )
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"home" could also be referring to the ILB home page, which lends credence to the image on that page being stegged. Personally though, I don't really think that the image is stegged.

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also, in terms of the "Home" theories... don't know how this fits in, but it's from the first day of Dana's Blog:

Quote:
(The trip is hard to defend. Beijing is the first stop on an open-ended backpacking trip through East/Southeast Asia, a trip I have no good reason to be taking (as my parents like to remind me), except (as I point out to them, though sometimes kind of quietly and maybe even after they've left the room) I've been "home" — in one way or another — for 22 years now, and absolutely everywhere I go is already drenched with my own history.[b]


(emphasis added)


So (1) she puts home in quotes, so it's a possible metaphorical, but also (2) mentions "after they've left the room"... did our Dana live with her parents? Is THAT home where the secret is?
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I definitely agree with those who posit that the sleeping princess is not necissarily a good entity. What have we got to assure of this? Only that its asking for our help. We should try and manipulate the princess into revealing her secret.


Also, I doubt the pious flea is th author, more likely it is the sleeping princess.

However, I thought of an idea. . . Perhaps it's the queen? Sending us the "princess' "" messages. . . Just an outlandish idea, not really serious.

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I don't think she lives with her parents, but she's talking about not having the nerve to tell them to their face...

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mc.schroeder wrote:
hollow1 wrote:
The Dana a friend/good guy came from an e-mail from me to the princess :p weee


I think we should consider that the email isn't necessarily a representation of the sleeping princess (or whoever sent it) own thougths, but ONLY copies of things we sent her. Like the "Dana is a friend" thing: we don't know if the entity thinks of dana as a friend or if she only said it because WE said it. Maybe it doesn't know what it means, or it is believing us that dana is its friend. Maybe if we would tell her that farnsworth (the cat) is evil, she would also think he is evil. On the other hand tough, that would mean she (or it or whatever) trusts us, but why should she?

I dunno, just my little thoughts about this.


Just so you know, I did not say "Dana is a friend/good guy" I asked this stuff:

Quote:
Can you stop the Queen?

Is Dana a friend/good guy?

Should we be helping Dana or help you?

Is helping you helping Dana?

Should we stop SPDR?

Please let me know.


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Octavian84 wrote:
I definitely agree with those who posit that the sleeping princess is not necissarily a good entity. What have we got to assure of this? Only that its asking for our help. We should try and manipulate the princess into revealing her secret.


Also, I doubt the pious flea is th author, more likely it is the sleeping princess.

However, I thought of an idea. . . Perhaps it's the queen? Sending us the "princess' "" messages. . . Just an outlandish idea, not really serious.


But if the Princess is hostile, and its an AI like the Queen or the Queen, it has the same issues of hurting Dana the queen does. IT can't. Its in a computer, and the internet can't be used to harm people. No med bots and stuff like that.

Ofcourse, if the SP is something besides an AI in the computer, or is something that can move around/effect the outside world, all bets are off. I still think that if it considers Dana a friend (which I belive points to it and Dana having a dialouge before), then Dana might not have told us everything eather.

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