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[Dorkmaster]

My question, to you then sir, is this: (Sorry if you're a girl... cuz then it should be,"My question to you then, m'am, is this:" )

Other than the obvious (S.P. thinks that the flea is filthy and such), why do we think the flea is a Covenant presence?


(Edit- "We" is used in the you and I sense, not the royal sense. )

[Cu Roi]

Well, most of this kind of speculation is tenuous at best (oh yeah, I only say Covenant OOG), I'm only inclined to attribute the Pious Flea a sinister role, because we can't seem to equate him with anything else so far. The queen, widow, and princess all can be given benevolent roles. The conflict going on seems to be due to misunderstanding. Melissa is acting out of self-preservation, the SPDR out of instinct, and the Princess is trying to help us understand them all.

I think.

Since the Flea hasn't really done anything yet, it's hard to say. We only know there is an alien presence from the Operator's Monologue, and that they were fighting a war.

I know the Covies will show up eventually, so I'm mostly making that connection by Metagaming. Since the Covie AI was pretty primitive, spouting religious rhetoric, and was very evasive in the books only the Flea really fits.

It's all META though, and it's too earlier to predict how all of this came to be. I haven't heard any solid theories on the time discrepencies.

Yeah we have "magic crystals" but the only one the humans had possession of was destroyed. I'm sure it'll be connected to that...but we have no concrete trail.

We'll have to wait and see.

EDIT: Looks like the entire thread was moved. Sorry for the earlier double post.

[GunsmithCat]

[CorSorei]

First to The Ouroboros: I think it's extremely unlikey that the AI came from the Circumference. My reasons for saying this are; It would be extremely hard for a ship with no crew, a blown to hell AI, and a bridge that took 70mm chain-gun fire and a missile, and locked in a orbiting station to witness the fall of Reach while traveling out-system.

Next to GunsmithCat: 1) It was never stated that Halsey and Kelly were on there way to Earth. The info found in "First Strike" by Halsey was that Ackerson had a secert project going on somewhere that was outside human controlled space, and also seemed to involve the Spartans. 2) The Circumference, Lark and Applebee were yachts turned into spy ships. The ONI prowler and the ship that Halsey and Kelly left on were designed military stealth ships.

I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm just trying to share the info I've gathered from reading the books way to many times.

[GunsmithCat]

[Cu Roi]

I have to stick to my guns with CorSorei that the Applebee and the prowler Halsey commandeers cannot be one and the same.

For futher proof the excerpt from FoR:

"Cortana listened to the hum of coded traffic along the surface of ONI's secure network. There was an unusual amount of packets today: queries and encrypted messages from ONI operatives. She peered into them and unraveled their secrets as they passed her by. There were orders for ship movements and operatives outbound from Reach. This must be the new directive to send scouts into the periphery systems and find the Covenant. She saw several ships docked in Reach's space docks-ONI stealth jobs made to look like private yatchs. They had cute, innocuous names: the Applebee, Circumference, and the Lark."

With the exception of the Circumference this is the only time these ships appear. They are relatively new and are in dock being either upgraded or having the final touches added.

Good point about the Circumference not being able to witness the Fall of Reach. That's assuming, though, that the shipboard AI had never seen a planet glassed. I doubt that the event described by the Operator was the Fall of Reach, though. Actually, those ships are never described as having AI. The MC was sent in to destroy the NAV data. No AI are ever mentioned...of course with ONI that doesn't mean that those ships didn't have them.

We just don't have enough info to be sure about much at this stage.

The Applebee isn't out of the picture, nor for that matter is the Circumference or the Lark...of course absence of evidence proves nothing.

We are dealing with a UNSC AI, beyond that it's all up for grabs

[Cu Roi]

Actually, GSC the ships were military craft made to look like pleasure yacht.

The ship used by Halsey was an old Chiroptera-class stealth ship. The model was decomissioned long before Reach. And it was a very small craft that had been in the personal possession of a rebel leader for decades. It was also clearly described as bat-like,and obviously design for stealth.

Also, Halsey left on a trajectory that is: ""Not Earth," Cortana said,"Doctor Halsey's course points to no known system in my database."

Sorry, Halsey is not involved directly. It just doesn't add up.

[GunsmithCat]

[Cu Roi]

Well, just to be clear, I was saying that AI are never mentioned in the text. I'm not saying that the ships didn't have them.

Further more you're missing the clear fact that we know that Halsey was, in no uncertain terms, NOT heading to Earth. Most importantly, the ship you claim to be the Applebee was no where near Reach and had been a rebel Governor's personal transport for decades. The description of the ship is one that matches that of a stealth craft not a luxury yatch. It says so blatantly, and leaves no room for argument.

Halsey did not take the Applebee. I'm not saying that the Applebee didn't somehow get here to Earth...just that Halsey didn't take Kelly away in it.

I suggest picking up the FoR & FS and researching it yourself. Besides clearing up your understanding of the Halo-verse, they're pretty damn fine books. I wouldn't bother with the Flood though, that one licks goat scrote.

[CorSorei]

I agree with The Ouroboros (couldn't you have picked an easier name to type?) about almost everything he stated in his last post. The only thing I disagree with is if you don't have an Xbox (kind of like me) than all of the books are good reading, considering all the different points of view and explanation of the backstory.

[Cu Roi]

Heheh.

Good point.

[CorSorei]

Good point about what? I enjoy reading a good sci-fi/fantasy book (either single volume or series). I do play video games, I just can't get all the systems or games. Books are cheaper there for, I prefer to spend my money that way. I mean really, one $50 game = about 7 paperback novels. In other words, game = 20 hours entertainment, or almost 4 months entertainment. It may be just me, but I enjoy other things besides sitting around inside playing games, I also enjoy sitting around outside admiring the beautiful world (in other words reading). Probably just me.

[Cu Roi]

Good point: That the Flood might have been good had I not played the game.

Of course on the other hand, I felt that Deitz completely lost the flavor and tone that Nylund set. I don't like how the man writes I guess. There were some extra details that were given in that story.

I've played Halo since the game was released, and my friends and I still have a blast with it. I can't say the same for any other game I've ever played, though. It's just that good, and reading the books makes it better.

It's also true that gamers need to get out a little more. I use games to enhance my life, not as a replacement for it.

[CorSorei]

I agree. Nylund should have been the author for all the books. There was a strange... twist in the flow of the story I guess you can say, that wouldn't have been there otherwise. To make a book series with a multiple change in authors you can't go back and forth beween authors. (At least in my opinion.) I have played Halo multiplayer a handful of times (just not single-player/story mode), and I agree that there is nothing better than taking out your rage on stupid people with a rocket launcher. (Or with melee weapons as in Soul Caliber 2, or on the road as in Gran Turismo or Tokyo Extreme.)

And The Ouroboros you never responded to my question. What's up with the name, couldn't you have chosen an easier one for peple to type? I'm just wondering.

[GunsmithCat]