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[LOCKED] [PUZZLE] AXONS GO HOT - Coordinates
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jbd
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Rougewisp wrote:
Also, some of the locations have things in common. Libraries, universities, Blockbusters, etc. Maybe we should group the locations which have things in common and chart those in some manner?


Mmf, yes. We need a sorted list. I haven't come up with a way of putting one on the bee wiki without it becoming a monster, though.

Ideally, for each location, there'd be space for Description, Photos, Map (drawn, satellite map, whatever), Commentary, any Texts (off of plaques and so forth), Confirmed by handheld GPS? (yes/no, just so we know how precise it is) and maybe WiFi Hot? (although if that turns out 'no' it could be phased out pretty quick).

Then there should be ways of looking at the list sorted via region (to pinpoint which ones are near you) or by various categories people have come up with (telephones, malls, books, whatever). I don't think this is even possible with wiki without doing it all by hand.

I don't want to make a separate page for each location, because that'd spam the Recent Changes list, plus might get too tedious to reference. Any ideas?

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marq
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kazzai wrote:
Well i think that a good start to the whole coordinate thing would be Dana's blog. It has a link under the 5913. Maybe this number is significant? Also this link leads to a website that gives you distance, degree, etc. between two points anywhere on the planet. I believe what we are supposed to do is find a relationship between the coordinate pairings and it somehow relates to the number 5913.


I like where you are going with this. I ran the first two pairs through an distance checker I found at an EPA site:
http://tinyurl.com/4c52h

I don't know if it means anyting, but the distance between the first two sets are:
1st - 242.239
2nd - 496.011

This site would be tedious to do it this way, so maybe someone with cool mapping software or MATLAB could massage this data and see if the corespoding nubmers come to anything

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Hey everyone - just got back from GPS fishing in Chicago. I started a new thread with my theory as this one is getting a bit tedious to dig through. Check it out if you will.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=53190#53190

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marq wrote:
This site would be tedious to do it this way, so maybe someone with cool mapping software or MATLAB could massage this data and see if the corespoding nubmers come to anything

I generated the distances between the pairs using ArcView (results in kilometers and miles). I should note that calculating the distance between two points on the surface of the earth requires some assumptions (shape of the spheroid etc.), so no two methods are going to necessarily give exactly the same answer. We may need to use the same distance calculator that Dana used (as Mescad did) Smile .

I also made a handy figure of the points, lines connecting them, and the centroid in between them (apologies if this stretches the forum window a little wide, but it really shouldn't get much smaller to still be legible). The red dots are the 220 points, the blue dots are midpoints of the connecting lines between the pairs:





My gut feeling is that the locations themselves have meaning, not the distances between pairs or midpoints between the two members of a pair. I write this because the locations are expressed to a pretty high degree of precision (4 decimal places in decimal degree lat/longs gives a location within 30 feet or so), the locations tend to fall in cities and towns in most cases, and the midpoints between them do not (I have another figuring overlaying the 220 points and midpoints over cities and towns, but I won't both adding it here). The distances could have meaning, or it could be some sort of code using some other attribute derived from the locations (aspiring codebreakers may wish to use this file to get cities, counties, zipcodes, and states associated with each location). But my gut feeling is the locations themselves are what matters.
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I live near the Pittsburgh, PA location. About 30 minutes away, actually. I ran the address through Verizon's SuperPages (yellow pages directory) using the advanced search for street addresses and got this result:

Purchase Officials Supplies.

If the address is accurate, then it points to a sporting goods store that sells referee supplies. I'm not seeing any major connection between these locations, unless the GPS spot is pointing to a different store in that strip mall. I'd check it out myself but my car can't drive more than a few miles before stalling out for hours, so that task is up for someone else.

SuperPages doesn't work for all of the addresses listed, but it's still helpful for some.

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Following the Sedalia, MO link to the beekeeping there (posted above)

there's a Beekeepers Meetup in 5 days. At first I thought it was us, but then realised it's genuine - or so it seems.

One thing to add - People are getting fairly deep into some trivialities here. How easy do you think it would be to construct this list of almost-all-meaningful locations if they were wanting us to do something with averages? Think about how it was constructed before flying off on theories that are irreversible (hmm, let's FFT the whole thing and make a picture out of it).

But there's some good stuff going on here. I just read the entire thread and it didn't take that long. Others can do it too, or at least use 'Search'.

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I hit the Ann Arbor, MI location last night about 5:30pm for about 20 minutes. I hadn't managed to focus in quite as precisely as some ofthe other stalwarts here, but i had it to within a third of a short block. there was an irish bar, several storefronts being renovated, a interior minimall full of craft stores ( but no honey or be references) a few jewelers, and an art gallery. none of the patterns that were mentioned previous seemed to fit my location, but i'll keep lookingevery few days. after all its my patriotic duty to stake out that irish bar, right? Very Happy

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advinius wrote:
after all its my patriotic duty to stake out that irish bar, right? Very Happy


I might drive down over there and help you look around. Y'know, second opinion and stuff. Then you can sneak me some beer Very Happy

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Ah hem, In case you didn't catch it the K-mart address in Sedalia is on the block of the first set of co-oords; corner of W.14th street and S. Limit AVe.

hmmm Columbia does not have a KMart or Boarders. (scratches head Mad )
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xnbomb wrote:
marq wrote:
This site would be tedious to do it this way, so maybe someone with cool mapping software or MATLAB could massage this data and see if the corespoding nubmers come to anything

I generated the distances between the pairs using ArcView (results in kilometers and miles). I should note that calculating the distance between two points on the surface of the earth requires some assumptions (shape of the spheroid etc.), so no two methods are going to necessarily give exactly the same answer. We may need to use the same distance calculator that Dana used (as Mescad did) Smile .

I also made a handy figure of the points, lines connecting them, and the centroid in between them (apologies if this stretches the forum window a little wide, but it really shouldn't get much smaller to still be legible). The red dots are the 220 points, the blue dots are midpoints of the connecting lines between the pairs:





My gut feeling is that the locations themselves have meaning, not the distances between pairs or midpoints between the two members of a pair. I write this because the locations are expressed to a pretty high degree of precision (4 decimal places in decimal degree lat/longs gives a location within 30 feet or so), the locations tend to fall in cities and towns in most cases, and the midpoints between them do not (I have another figuring overlaying the 220 points and midpoints over cities and towns, but I won't both adding it here). The distances could have meaning, or it could be some sort of code using some other attribute derived from the locations (aspiring codebreakers may wish to use this file to get cities, counties, zipcodes, and states associated with each location). But my gut feeling is the locations themselves are what matters.


These midpoints don't work... there is a point off the coast of NJ. As the PM have demonstrated, points in the ocean don't count Confused
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Ok, so in the past few hours we've pretty much come up with this:

We've scouted out enough locations to try to figure out correlations between them. So further scouting right now accomplishes little or nothing. We need to find a correlation between Vacant Lots, Places of Education, Open Fields, and Bustling Cities. More or less, that's all we've figured out.

Now, scouting out open fields is probably just about the only useful thing. There's likely to be very little out in the open. That's why whoever found that plaque in the middle of a field caused such a stir- since there's only 1 or 2 things in an open field, those things would also have to be in other locations. So scout open fields out.

In addition, I think this puzzle has more relevance to China than we seem to be giving it. Since the co-ordinates lead to China when they were reversed, and since Dana was in China, wouldn't it just make a tiny bit of sense that China is where the Operator is looking?

Our third option is that the Operator has moved to a website and the owner is at one of the locations. Unfortunately, this is very unlikely, as evidence would need to be another site that's already been hijacked and shown to be in-game.

I don't think playing connect the dots with these points would have been a difficult riddle. Thus the fourth option may be that on August 24th, something is at these points. This theory is supplimented by the fact that the Operator needs to be "Wide Awake and Physical" in order to move. But that could also mean that another website will be infected on August 24th, and the owner of the site will be at any of these given locales.

I think it's important to start brainstorming other ideas. Anybody got any?

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Could somebody make a pic of the coordinates on China? Thank you so much.

Wishi -- maybe you could make a script to figure out where the reversed points are in China?
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38.9033 -77.0326

So this morning I took a detour on my commute to visit this location: 38.9033 -77.0326. It's near my office, but about six blocks away. I took my camera and this is what I found:

38.9033 -77.0326

I'll be doing #4, 5 and 208 at lunchtime as they're all bunched together on the Mall.

Here's what's at this location:

roughly, the corner of 14th and K St. A posh area of town with expensive offices for law and lobbying firms. The Tower building is almost exactly where the star sits on the map. There's a Subway sandwich shop, a Sign shop just north of the star. Across the street sits the Hamilton Crowne Plaza Hotel, and in front of that is a set of payphones.

Overall, not a ton to see here...

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UPDATE on 39.9528 -75.1582 (Center City, Philadelphia)

I did a search and didn't find anything posted about this particular set of coordinates. Please forgive me if this is trout. Smile

In any case, I headed up there right after work and...well, my memory's not as good as I'd hoped. Smile It turns out I'd misread the coordinates. The corner I was thinking of was one block north.

The corner indicated by the coordinates (NW corner of Philbert and 11th Streets) is...well, empty. There's literally an empty "store space for rent" there. There *was* a public phone a little bit north, but it's been ripped out of its housing. There's a public phone across the street on the North-*EAST* corner, but I'm thinking if they meant that corner, they would have marked that corner.

The only thing of note I saw was that Filbert Street has a different name, indicated by a streetsign on that corner: HARRY OCHS WAY. I'd never heard of the name before, really.

Has anyone else noticed interesting street sign names? My thinking is that (a) it's the only interesting thing there and (b) such a thing would be very difficult to find out on the Internet (as I said, I had never heard of Harry Ochs Way before...).

There's *definitely* nothing even remotely approaching a WiFi point there.

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*blink*

UPDATE to the UPDATE. Smile

I just noticed on the Wiki that the GPS coordinates in Philly are listed as "Philadelphia, PA: 11th and Filbert St.; Middle of Gallery East Mall".

The Gallery is an underground mall. I didn't occur to me at all that the coordinates don't indicate *elevation*. The coordinates could, very well, be inside the mall. For the life of me I can't remember if it runs that far north...

-- peccable, wondering how he's going to find the point inside the mall without a GPS unit. :/

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