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[SPEC] New approach on Axon Puzzle.
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KiLLyourTV
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[SPEC] New approach on Axon Puzzle.

I noticed something, and I am not sure if anyone else has. (Trout me if I didn't notice this before, nothing found in search.)
The location where Dana went in Beijing.
It says this:
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Distance between San Francisco, California, United States and Beijing, China, as the crow flies:

5913 miles (9516 km) (5139 nautical miles)

Now, what does 9+5+1+6 equal. Well of course, 21, which is divisible by both 7 and 3. I theorize that the answer is hidden in the distance in km between longitudes and latitudes.

Now, there are two directions I have in mind. First, plot all points to this coordinate (from above site)
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San Francisco, California, US

County: San Francisco County
Location: 37:47:36N 122:33:17W
Population (1990): 723959
Elevation: 63 feet



After you do, find the total number of kilometers and the numbers together (averaged). Say its 923 km, you would get 14, which would correlate to the letter N.

If this proves false, there is the other method that seems just as feasible. Take the two coordinates from each row and do the same as above (find distance in km from each).

Anything up to 998km will work, so this leaves a lot of room for making words/sentences. I believe the Row Theory is more logical because the chances of the distance being across country is a lot less than always plotting from San Francisco, but this does only leave a total of 220 possible letters, where the other theory leaves room for 440.

Any help would be appreciated, I will try to see what I can come up with. Again, if this is trout, I am sorry.

KiLLyourTV

Edited for clarity and unnecessary info.
Links for conversion on post below.
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I like the idea. Plus, if you find a distance that comes out to, like 999 km (27) then you can quit!

Xnbomb among others made a post about converting the coordinates to degree-minutes in that monster thread. I've read the whole thing as it developed, so just try searching through it (I'm sure it's a page higher than 20). Hope that helps... looking forward to seeing the results of your experiment!
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KiLLyourTV
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Ok, I found a site to convert to degrees and another to find the distance between them..

Thing is, I don't have the time to look them all up while I am at work, so if anyone wants to test my theory, by all means please do!!

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Already posted in another thread, here's some of the maths already done.

Note, you don't need to convert to minutes using the site in Dana's blog.
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KiLLyourTV
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Can't view it at work, don't have Excel.

Has anyone tried adding the numbers in the distance (in km) together.
For example, if its 1326 km you get 12, which is the letter L etc.

The only reason I suspect this is because of the occurrence of 21 which is mentioned Rolling Eyes

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ive done some of it, with the values someone else has posted around here somewhere.
so far, there are outliers Confused bugga like 28.
i take it that the values and distances (spreadsheet link around one of these forums) are correct.

also there are not many vowels.

will do more tonight tho, methinks to avoid errors we need to partition groups of numbers to different people, any volunteers? Razz

ill also look more into the addition / subtraction of the numbers. something should be there. (if not well, i have time to burn)

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Just ran a few formulae in Excel.

All the numbers add up to less than 26. the distribution is fairly good, with averages in the 13-14 range for miles, nautical miles and kilometres.

I have a feeling this is more a property of the numbers themselves, than a property forced upon them. It's hard to get over 26 - for example 999 would be the ONLY three digit number to do so, and most of the distances are three digits (or a little above 1000, introducing nice low numbers into the bargain).

Add to this the facts that
* The numbers don't translate into meaningful straight-alpha readings, there are a lot of ks and few vowels
* How would you design this??

and I'm not sure this is really going anywhere, but others can feel free to try it Smile
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KiLLyourTV
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Yeah, if it doesn't work, oh well. It was worth a shot to bring it to the open. I would have tested it at work, but that is damn near impossible for me to do.

Time to get back to thinking of what it could point to.
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Has anyone tried using nautical miles with this method? A ship probably would, but also the interesting thing is that 5913 miles = 5139 nautical miles. Both equal 21 = 7 x 3.

If that doesn't work, I was wondering if the numbers equal less than 26 or less than 21. If it's less than 21, perhaps the vowels are skipped.

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msekolpsu wrote:
Has anyone tried using nautical miles with this method? A ship probably would, but also the interesting thing is that 5913 miles = 5139 nautical miles. Both equal 21 = 7 x 3.

If that doesn't work, I was wondering if the numbers equal less than 26 or less than 21. If it's less than 21, perhaps the vowels are skipped.


No, they're not all less than 21. They are all less than 26, but as I pointed out above, that's unsurprising given a set of numbers in this range.

I looked at all three forms of distance.

And have you any idea how hard it is to back-form this sort of thing? I tried, once, when I was young and silly.
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Doesn't the number in Row 51 = 1999 = 28?

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Row 51-

32.7670N -117.0569E 41.9334N -87.6455E 2770 1720 1500 60 degrees (east-northeast)

From the website in Dana's blog; no 1999s there.
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has anybody actually strung all the letters together? with that many letters, I seriously doubt that we would have to rearrange them.
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msekolpsu
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Next line down sherpa, I'm going off the Excel spreadsheet posted here.

30.2072     -92.0384          47.681      -122.1254       1999

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Posted where? [Edit: ah, hang on, you mean the rough distances in 'deg min sec' sheet, not the ones in 'distances table', same spreadsheet.]

The one I have - again, this is using the site in Dana's blog, not direct calculation - has for line 52 (and maybe it would have helped if you'd clarified which line that is, first?) as :

30.2072N -92.0384E 47.6810N -122.1254E 3210 2000 1730 316 degrees (northwest)

I see the 1999/2000 could be differences in calculation methods, but this method has it as still adding up under 26..
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