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[SPEC] Answering the GPS question
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This makes sense, especially if the people who were responsible for returning sites had to find something specific - say, something related to bees - for each site. They could have found four on the first day, then it took a day or two to find the fifth...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:37 pm
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Just an idea suppose there's nothing at these locations because we are to early, on the 24th, there might be something like a Bungie representative giving out advance copies of Halo 2 before the date in November when everyone else gets one!

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Hi all. I've been following all of this for a quite a while (my head is numb from the numbers) and this is my first post. Hopefully, it isn't a trout. (I did search....alot)

With all this specualtion about what these GPS Coordinates mean I am still struggling with some basic questions about them and have not been able to find concrete evidence to support any answers. Unfortunately we have not based our searches in many facts (at least I don't think we have). These coordinates are obviously locations of importance as the SP has told us that the Queen is very "particular" (I beleive that was the word - someone correct me on this)about where the roads are. Furthermore they are clearly points of travel, again as referenced as Roads. Beyond that many simple questions go unanswered.

Can we solve this without really knowing where the Queen is? I know she is in The Castle on the throne with the flea on her shoulder(a verroa mite, but that's a different thread). Is this the server in DC? or Dana's PC in San Francisco? There's evidence that the Operator is in both. But which one was first?

Who or what is traveling (or transmitting)? What is the destination of this trip? And where does this trip originate? DC? San Fran? I think we need to verify where the Castle is before we can continue. Also, note that Melissa "metastasized" way before Phase 2 ended. If she was in DC then she grabbed Dana's webcam in San Fran. If she was in San Fran then she made it to DC to keep Dana from fixing the site. These two sites are on opposite ends of the country. (hmmm.... 2 sites 2 columns)

Anyway my point is that I think we should all agree on some of these basic ideas first if we hope to make any progress on these coordinates. Thanks, and...be gentle.

Edit - spellling

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Re: Server Location?

Foz wrote:
Can we solve this without really knowing where the Queen is? I know she is in The Castle on the throne with the flea on her shoulder(a verroa mite, but that's a different thread). Is this the server in DC? or Dana's PC in San Francisco? There's evidence that the Operator is in both. But which one was first?

Who or what is traveling (or transmitting)? What is the destination of this trip? And where does this trip originate? DC? San Fran? I think we need to verify where the Castle is before we can continue. Also, note that Melissa "metastasized" way before Phase 2 ended. If she was in DC then she grabbed Dana's webcam in San Fran. If she was in San Fran then she made it to DC to keep Dana from fixing the site. These two sites are on opposite ends of the country. (hmmm.... 2 sites 2 columns)

Not necessarily trout per se, but a great debate has already raged in this thread about whether the ILB web site is physically stored at Aunt Margaret's house in San Francisco, California, or at Rackspace in Washington, D.C. (Yes, Extrasonic, the fact that the first of the new coordinates is in D.C. may point to the latter. Mr. Green ) I don't know that we can reach unanimous agreement, so I certainly hope we don't all have to agree on the answers to these questions before we have a hope of solving the coordinates puzzle.
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Hey Foz... welcome.

The "where is the server and the queen" question is one I haven't seen definitively answered yet.

Although we know ilovebees is hosted in DC in RL... I was assuming that IG the server was at Dana's or at Margaret's. This made it slightly more believeable... an AI lurking inside an entire computer - as opposed to in a few kilobytes of HTML code on a server farm across the country. If the queen is in Dana's computer then it makes sense when she takes control of her webcam... and how she is apparently out to get Dana for destroying her with reformats and virus scans.

But now these coordinates are messing me up. They start in DC and end in SF. Is ILB actually hosted in DC? I sure hope the PMs haven't changed the location and the story just because we found out where ILB is actually hosted... we CAN suspend our disbelief a bit.

So is this the queen branching out from the server in DC making her way to the last known location of Dana?

OR is the queen pulling some information or something towards SF...(if she is in fact located there).

I don't know what is going to happen on the 24th, but I get the feeling whatever it is will make a lot more sense if we know the definitive IG location of the server.

Please, someone come by and trout me and foz and tell us where it is.

EDIT: Wow... that's a lot of abbreviations.

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Don't forget that the Queen doesn't have to be in a single location. In fact, right now it might make more sense for her to be both on Dana's computer and the ILB computer at Rackspace, since she's clearly able to access both.
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by the way... has anyone tried... ASKING DANA?

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Re: Server Location?

Grout wrote:
by the way... has anyone tried... ASKING DANA?

Yes. Lots of people. Whom she doesn't really know. Which made her nervous. So she won't tell us. (Can you blame her? Mr. Green )
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Re: Server Location?

Shad0 wrote:
Grout wrote:
by the way... has anyone tried... ASKING DANA?

Yes. Lots of people. Whom she doesn't really know. Which made her nervous. So she won't tell us. (Can you blame her? Mr. Green )


I'm not saying ask for her address.... just a simple question like...

"Is the server at your house? Or is ILB hosted remotely?"

That would pretty much clear up this whole confusion.

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Re: Server Location?

Grout wrote:
Shad0 wrote:
Grout wrote:
by the way... has anyone tried... ASKING DANA?

Yes. Lots of people. Whom she doesn't really know. Which made her nervous. So she won't tell us. (Can you blame her? Mr. Green )


I'm not saying ask for her address.... just a simple question like...

"Is the server at your house? Or is ILB hosted remotely?"

That would pretty much clear up this whole confusion.

*ahem*

YES. LOTS OF PEOPLE. WHOM SHE DOESN'T REALLY KNOW. WHICH MADE HER NERVOUS. SO SHE WON'T TELL US.

At least, not yet. Maybe she'll respond in tomorrow's update. Dunno But up until now, she won't even confirm what city the blasted thing is in.

(By the way, Grout, please feel free to e-mail Dana yourself and ask her anything you wish. There's no special, limited list of people who are allowed to write to her. Maybe you'll have better luck.)
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Ah... sorry shad0

I assumed that what was turning her off was people asking for directions to her house or something.

If she won't even tell us what city it's in, it sounds like it is possible that the PMs originally planned on having the server in SF... but didn't expect us to find out where it is really hosted - maybe that is why the points start with DC and end with SF in the coords. On the 24th Melissa will be wide awake and physical and will have spread all over the country and the server question will then be moot.

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*ahem*

YES. LOTS OF PEOPLE. WHOM SHE DOESN'T REALLY KNOW. WHICH MADE HER NERVOUS. SO SHE WON'T TELL US.

At least, not yet. Maybe she'll respond in tomorrow's update. Dunno But up until now, she won't even confirm what city the blasted thing is in.

(By the way, Grout, please feel free to e-mail Dana yourself and ask her anything you wish. There's no special, limited list of people who are allowed to write to her. Maybe you'll have better luck.)

I figured she wouldn't tell us because people have already tried to hack her email, and voicemail and in the real world, Rackspace wouldn't take kindly to having hackers try to break into their servers. Why risk a law suit for M$ (or whoever is running this) for having instigated a hacking or criminal charges for whoever tries?

Sorry this is not in-game but i've seen this question asked so many times that I thought I'd give it what I feel is the best and most logical answer.

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server location

From Dana's reluctance to even give us the city where the server is located, I took that to mean (IG) that the location is not important to solving the puzzle and we were on the wrong track. It would really seem strange to me have the server location be key, then say we couldn't have it, only to give it to us at the last minute. Unless the PMs simply want us running around in circles which gets old and no longer becomes fun or they don't want us to solve the "puzzle" yet which would mean it's incredibly weak and also not much fun.
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I don't know if I agree with your assessment of Dana's reluctance. While it could mean that, it could also mean that we are suppossed to find the server and that is part of the puzzle. Perhaps somewhere in here is a clue to triangulate the position of the server. Once we knew the location of the server, we could use the coordinates to decrypt a message using distance calculations.

I mapped out the distances between points (see Numerical thread), but perhaps that was incorrect or at least incomplete. I'm going to use the local times at those coordinates to determine the speed at which she was 'digging' to get to each point. Maybe that will tell us something.

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Scratch that, first I'm going to organize the points by event horizon in local time to see if anything is there. Just realized that they are not in chronological order by local time.

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msekolpsu wrote:
I don't know if I agree with your assessment of Dana's reluctance. While it could mean that, it could also mean that we are suppossed to find the server and that is part of the puzzle. Perhaps somewhere in here is a clue to triangulate the position of the server.


This thread:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5654

shows that the same level of effort to find Dana's phone number (i.e. one unix command) can be used to prove definitively that the server - at least in real life, if not in-game (thanks for the hat tip, Shad0) - is in the metro-Washington, D.C. area.

msekolpsu wrote:
Once we knew the location of the server, we could use the coordinates to decrypt a message using distance calculations.

I mapped out the distances between points (see Numerical thread), but perhaps that was incorrect or at least incomplete. I'm going to use the local times at those coordinates to determine the speed at which she was 'digging' to get to each point. Maybe that will tell us something.


I did the calculation for the speed required to go from the first point to the second point in 4 minutes. The speed required was Mach 7 (7 times the speed of sound at sea level). There were only two interesting conclusions I could draw from that:

  • If we are to assume that something is arriving at these points at the listed times and then moving on to the next point (which may be a bad assumption), then there's not much (declassified, if you're a conspiracy theorist) that is physical and uses 2004 (i.e. not Melissa-aged) tech that could do it without being in orbit. However, this is far more time than a voice or data transmission - especially one travelling the speed of light, even with the latency inherent in the voice or data networks - would need to move from place to place.
  • It's another 7, which we seem to have a lot of and were documenting on the netninja wiki before it became unusable.


EDIT: Just to re-iterate, I only calculated the speed required to go from the first coordinate (DC-area) to the second (Cleveland-area) in order to prove to myself that it wasn't feasible for something physical to make the trip (ruling out military aircraft and space-based objects). Other points might yield different, more interesting results or a pattern might emerge - I'm not trying to discourage additional investigation.

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