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[INFO] Strange pattern on pg 123 of Halo: First Strike
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accidentalsuccess
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[INFO] Strange pattern on pg 123 of Halo: First Strike

This game made me go grab the books. Smile I didn't get the flood one, but I got the fall of reach and first strike.

I didn't notice anything in the fall of reach, but I'll re-check it when I get home. Maybe it's just my copy of First Strike, but at the page fold (basically into the spine of the book) of Halo: First Strike on page 123 there are some dashes of varying thickness. Strange, I've never noticed anything like this in a book before. Maybe nothing, probably nothing, but I'll try to scan them when I get home. Cool

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Lysit
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Not just your copy, how odd.
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kalamazoo
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These are sometimes an artifact of the book-binding process.

How many pages are in the book? (By pages I mean *all* pages, not just the numbered ones.) And what number is this page out of all of them?

There are sometimes internal codes used by the printers to designate sheets of print that are folded and cut to make the pages of books. The codes are put in the portion of the sheet that faces the binding, so normally they are never seen. If the machines are not perfectly aligned, however, those codes are visible at the edge of the binding. Such codes usually are put in a corner of the page, so usually they are found where one sheet meets another.

If, for instance, page 123 is actually the 129th page of the book as a whole, or if you can look at the bindings and see that there is a join at page 123, then I think this might be a printer's code.

If not..... Shocked Question Exclamation Shocked

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accidentalsuccess
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it is page 129 overall in the book. There is also a "similar" mark on the lower side of a page in the 200's but I can't find it again (I was reading and noticed it). Maybe I can find it again. What makes that a binder's mark? I know nothing about book binding. it looks like bardode language. wait, I'm going to go scan it with a standard barcode reader and see if it is. . . . .

I'll post back in 5.


AS

P.S. 352 front/back pages in the book, 6 at beginning and end, 340 middle.

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it is not read by our barcode reader, though it read the back of the book barcode fine (for a check). It seems oversized for a true barcode, anyways.

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walshicus
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Lysit wrote:
Not just your copy, how odd.


My copy doesn't have it. I thought it might be because I'm European, but then I realised that I ordered it online from Amazon.co.uk, which most likely would have just bought the copy in from the US...

Could someone get a scan of it?

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Lysit
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I got mine of co.uk and it has it. Not got a scanner though:/
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password

maybe the pin to the voice mail is all the pages of the books put together, i dk how many that would be, for instance #1500 or that number divided by 7. Password to coded pics or sounds maybe too.....what ya think?

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accidentalsuccess
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Re: password

Smarterdanu wrote:
maybe the pin to the voice mail is all the pages of the books put together, i dk how many that would be, for instance #1500 or that number divided by 7. Password to coded pics or sounds maybe too.....what ya think?


we've been warned that hacking the vmail is out of game.

I'm thinking more along the lines of the PW to the supposed stegg'ed image, but who knows, maybe it's some weird printing thing that is "common" in paperbacks, though I've never seen it in any other book before.

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Kagehi Kossori
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Two problems if the barcode is useful. 1) where it is located, it could easilly be clipped in the binding process. It is way to close to the edge. 2) There are about 20 or so different bar code types. While each of these work in a similar way, they differ in the actual patterns used and the start/stop registry marks they use. A standard barcode scanner isn't going to read them, since it is only programmed with the UPC type for product codes. I have however seen such a thing at least one other time in a book, though not where. Unless someone can find the right code reader for this class of barcode and can prove it has some significance, I would label this as likely not useful.

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accidentalsuccess
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1) standard barcode readers read ALL types of 1-D barcodes. It's the software that interprets them. I've programmed for them once (in high school, though.. .gah long time ago)

2) this may just be a wild goose chase, but in absence of anything more obviously productive to do............

I can't scan it. the one on pg 123 is on the upper left corner. The one on pg 219(?) is on the lower left corner.

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BRVolition
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I don't see anything in my copy

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I found them in my copy, but they are located in upper right (pg. 123) and lower right (pg. 219). I'm pretty sure that this means it is just a "fluke" in the binding process. I read alot and have seen similar markings in books. Though I can only remember with certainy seeing them in hardbacks. I might have seen them in paperbacks before, but I can't remember with certainy. But I read to many books, and I read way to often (on average 250 to 350 pages a day), and it's also 5:00 am here so even I doubt my memory.
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In my copy they are located in the bottom left of page 121 and 129.

I'm sure it is just a problem with the printing/ink smudge.

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It's Morse Code...

Heya,

Those lines can easily be interpretted as morse code, especially if you obscure all but the very smallest portion of those lines (cover up all but the bottom/top, and they read as dots and dashes). And, they each *do* have an alphabetical representation (at least in my book's code).

My symbols on page 123 translate as:"HTRUZEMAU" and on page 219 as "QERIMDRTH"

Now, the issue after that is, is there/what is the cryptographical key, if any, and is this at all related to the puzzles at hand...or is it just tangential coincidence...

Wondering (aloud) if the page numbers are at all related to the encryption key.

Seeing as I know <0 about cryptography, I will let those who are more proficient than I tackle these things. I tried the basic crypto programs that I could find, at least as far as cypher substitution, but I didn't get anywhere.

Hope this helps and isn't a dead end, or a red-herring...or worse - the mythical and embarassment laden "dead-end trout"! Razz

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These are sometimes an artifact of the book-binding process.


And not to discredit the "binding artifact" idea, but I don't recall, in the history of my reading paperbacks, ever having seen symbols like that in those places. I may be completely mistaken, and am going to go thumb through several paperbacks (and even pull them apart to look inside the bindings for barcode). Just, again, thinking out loud Idea

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