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[LOCKED] [PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
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XakyrieG
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The strangeness of these coordinates, the bunches in Boulder and Longmont (where I live, incidentally) and the lack of coordinates in Texas gives, I think, at least a little credence to the idea that something will happen in these locations when the timer goes all the way down. As people have pointed out in other topics, it would cost a lot and require a great deal of manpower to have people at each of these points doing whatever it is they might have planned, but it would save a lot to simply make the locations nearby where the PMs have friends and family who are willing to participate for free. So perhaps they just know more willing people in this area of Colorado and in California.

I still have no expectations that something will happen at these locations, especially given that National Airport location, but it's still a decent thought.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:58 pm
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lure x
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Location: columbus, ohio

ohio coords anamoly

41.0885 -81.2057
3509 Sanford Rd, ROOTSTOWN, OH, 44272, PORTAGE COUNTY, US

41.0923 -81.2138
3745 Sanford Rd, ROOTSTOWN, OH, 44272, PORTAGE COUNTY, US

these two coordinates are on the same street! probably no more than 200-500 or so ft apart! the total population of rootstown is only 7212 people (http://rootstownoh.usl.myareaguide.com/census.html). this town is out in the boonies of ohio. HIGHLY unlikely that there are wifi/cell towers/etc. there. doing a reverse lookup of the street address gives us these:

mapquest link 1
this waypoint is out in the middle of nowhere! there appears to be nothing but a road.

mapquest link 2
this is the second waypoint in rootstown. it appears to be close to an intesection.

i'd visit these locations but it's a good two-hour drive from columbus.
anyway, yeah. just my two cents Smile
i'll update the wiki with the info on the ohio coords.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:28 pm
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Liquid Clay
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It could be nothing, but I found this when I was searching for connections between Rootstown and bees:
http://www.bw.edu/academics/nro/society/BrainBee/
On that site there is a link to http://www.dana.org, something like a medical science foundation.
On first look I would think its a coincidence, but it sounds a little funny Wink

It could be worth searching for other bee references.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:53 pm
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sfsdfd
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Re: ohio coords anamoly

lure x wrote:
i'd visit these locations but it's a good two-hour drive from columbus.

Be glad you didn't go.

I, being (apparently) the sole member of the Cleveland beekeepers branch, visited all four spots tonight. Conclusion: Two point to ponds, one might point to a tree, and one appears to be within a clump of woods. All four are clearly on private property, making them difficult to pinpoint, and impossible to search for geocaches.

Here's my report on the four coordinates near Cleveland (and I'll cross-post this elsewhere, including the Wiki.)

41.3053 -81.4166
This coordinate points to a pond in someone's front lawn. In fact, it appears to point to a spot past the pond, but that was too far into private property to investigate.
The pond has a small dock or walkway, for what it's worth. There's also a single fairly large tree between the driveway (the closest point that I could comfortably investigate) and the pond, but I think that was too far off. Finally, the mailbox at the top of the driveway (pretty far away from the spot) read "Hook," presumably the last name of the residents.
That's all. It's also the most interesting of the four spots, unfortunately.

41.3068 -81.3641
This one was harder to pinpoint - it's in the middle of a very upscale country club neighborhood, practically one step removed from a gated community! Most of the streets in the neighborhood were designated "private drive," and the local signage otherwise made it clear that the whole neighborhood was for residents only.
The coordinate appeared to lay in the backyard of several residents. Nearby, however, was another pond - more like a small reservoir, really. Otherwise, triangulation didn't seem to indicate any particular house, street, or other interesting feature - just this reservoir.

41.0885 -81.2057
This one lays in a private yard. It was pretty empty, by the looks of things, and the house was nondescript. There wasn't even a name on the mailbox. However, there was a single, rather large tree on the tree lawn - that's my best guess.

41.0923 -81.2138
And this one is the worst. It points to nothing, apparently. The surrounding neighborhood is an under-construction development: many winding roads, many half-built but empty houses. Pretty damn creepy, in fact, especially at night (it was dark by the time we got to this last one.) Some plots have been cleared for additional building, but some aren't (i.e., there are many patches of dense trees in parts of the neighborhood where the road doesn't go.)
We couldn't come close to pinpointing this one, because as best we could tell, the coordinate lay in a wooded stand of trees. Mostly inaccessible, and probably privately owned. I doubt there's anything back there, and I'm not about to go traisping through undeveloped private property to find out.

End result: Pretty damn disappointing. Oh well.

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vpisteve
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Ya know what? I just thought of something. Are all these coords that point to 'nothing' only in the second column?
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jbd
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vpisteve wrote:
Ya know what? I just thought of something. Are all these coords that point to 'nothing' only in the second column?


Alternately, does each row have at least one 'something' spot? (So either the first or the second entry in each row is a decoy.)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:54 am
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Ben_Dover
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You know, thinking on the same line, what do we get if we switch the longitude and the latitude of each pair? I don't know how to look this stuff up myself, or I would do it.

They're listed in pairs. Most of us think there is some reason for this. What if the pairs are mixed up? So that in cell A, the longitude is supposed to go with the latitude in Cell B and vice versa?

Just throwing it out there. Really bangin' my head on the wall right now.

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dammit this blows - there are 220 sites - they appear to have nothing in common - apparently some of them are in the middle of the woods or on VERY private property. This would imply we are not supposed to GO to these places. But many of the coordinates point to specific places and center around populated points for the most part - which would lead away from the "it's just a number puzzle" theory...

Therefore....


?


It's all just a red herring?


Jerks with Pina Coladas?

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lure x
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no i don't think it's a red herring, i just don't think we're going about this the right way. i bet the pms are laughing at us right now Laughing
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They probably totally are, but are also fervently crossing their fingers and toes that we get it, too. Totally.

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sherpa
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I bet you anything they're screaming at us going "look, it's right under your noses, you silly twonks". Just like I do whenever I watch Knightmare.
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fivecentfamily
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jbd wrote:
vpisteve wrote:
Ya know what? I just thought of something. Are all these coords that point to 'nothing' only in the second column?


Alternately, does each row have at least one 'something' spot? (So either the first or the second entry in each row is a decoy.)


I've (amazingly) been keeping up with these coordinate threads, and these are the most observant questions I've heard yet? If some of these point to a place, and some of the point to 'noplace' might this be because the PMs started at one point, and drew a line OF A CERTAIN DISTANCE, and hoped to get at least within another major city.

This could also explain Sedalia, as it might have turned out to be a convenient place to end some points.

Someone should check the points that definitely point to a place, like Sears tower, or the Smithsonian, and see if they are paired with 'noplace' points.

I think the distances ARE the key. Of course, I've no idea what to DO with that information, but there's my $.02.
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fivecentfamily wrote:
jbd wrote:
vpisteve wrote:
Ya know what? I just thought of something. Are all these coords that point to 'nothing' only in the second column?


Alternately, does each row have at least one 'something' spot? (So either the first or the second entry in each row is a decoy.)


I've (amazingly) been keeping up with these coordinate threads, and these are the most observant questions I've heard yet? If some of these point to a place, and some of the point to 'noplace' might this be because the PMs started at one point, and drew a line OF A CERTAIN DISTANCE, and hoped to get at least within another major city.

This could also explain Sedalia, as it might have turned out to be a convenient place to end some points.

Someone should check the points that definitely point to a place, like Sears tower, or the Smithsonian, and see if they are paired with 'noplace' points.

I think the distances ARE the key. Of course, I've no idea what to DO with that information, but there's my $.02.


I was thinking about this as well. Why couldn't the PMs take a compass (right instrument?) and draw a circle around a city with a desired distance. Then they choose a point on the circle that is in some sort of town/city/civilized area. Sounds about right to me.
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fivecentfamily wrote:

Someone should check the points that definitely point to a place, like Sears tower, or the Smithsonian, and see if they are paired with 'noplace' points.


Getting deja vu here. Anyway. Sears tower is paired with a boarded up apartment building also in Chicago. Not a 'nowhere' point, but nothing specific (other than a curious bee possible-coincidence). This stuff is fairly easy to look up on the wiki, of course.
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The thoughts in this thread are starting to echo an idea I was having last night.
What if somebody could take the maps that have been created, and draw a line between each of the points that are paired together. A line from the coord in Col 1 to the coord in Col 2. So then we would have about 110 lines all over the country. It could either point to something on our map, or be taken off the map and made into a separate picture.
Sorry I can't do this sort of thing myself. I'm at work and also don't know a lot about these computer setup processes. I'm better at the thinking, and also other legwork (such as driving for an hour) Laughing
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