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thebruce
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GunsmithCat wrote:

DOH!

Quote:

Shipwrecked sailor. (The young stage of a bee found him, the clever one, adrift on a wine-dark sea, but I can't remember her name.)

If he was shipwrecked and they found him in space - where would he be?

In a cryopod. Another reference.

Sorry, it's been awhile since I saw one Smile

no, I still think it's better explained as the princess... the entire parenthesis could be referring to the princess... the young stage of a bee, the clever one, adrift, can't remember her name - ie, the Princess in the cylinder, which I do not believe is a cryopod since it's the size of a big suitcase. I thin it's the princess who found the sailor... how? dunno... Smile

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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:32 pm

GunsmithCat
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thebruce wrote:

GunsmithCat wrote:

DOH!

Quote:

Shipwrecked sailor. (The young stage of a bee found him, the clever one, adrift on a wine-dark sea, but I can't remember her name.)

If he was shipwrecked and they found him in space - where would he be?

In a cryopod. Another reference.

Sorry, it's been awhile since I saw one Smile

Dang nabit - I almost added a grammar bit to the last post.

I'm thinking:

Shipwrecked sailor. is the Castaway

(The young stage of a bee found him Melissa, before she's totally infected

, the clever one, adrift on a wine-dark sea, Castaway again

but I can't remember her name.) Melissa is forgetting that it was actually her, because she's confusing herself and Princess (which makes sense if they are both herself)...

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:48 pm

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that's the other possibility, yes... the thought that the young stage of a bee was the princess only came up today reading through some other spec... dead end for now, but both are possible IMO

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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:11 pm

rose
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Shipwrecked sailor. is the Castaway

Yes. But, I assumed that the reference to the Castaway as a shipwrecked sailor was a continuation of the analogy to the Odyssey--which is echoed in the reference to the "wine-dark sea." Not necessarily a literal shipwreck survivor.

As you may recall, all of the sailors, other than Odysseus were killed in the ship wreck on their way home from Troy.

Along the same lines, I don't know where the idea that the Sleeping Princess is actually a young Melissa originates. I would think that a back up or some other copy of software as essential as Melissa would need to be available at all times.

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:03 pm

clamatius
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I would think that a back up or some other copy of software as essential as Melissa would need to be available at all times.

As I recall, copying smart AIs in the Haloverse doesn't work very well (the copies are unstable or somesuch).

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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:12 pm

rose
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another question

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As I recall, copying smart AIs in the Haloverse doesn't work very well (the copies are unstable or somesuch).

So they have to be two different programs then?

A different question: could the Castaway be the author of the Widow's Journey? It seems to be written from the perspective of an outside observer. This has always troubled me. We do know the Castaway is human, not smart ai, right? Or do we? I have been assuming he is human.

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:33 pm

chaotic_mind
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rose wrote:

So they have to be two different programs then?

Humans can't copy AIs, but the Covenant can. And since the Covenant have poor knowledge of general and computer science, it can be assumed the copy program came from the Forerunner. It's not the best system, even if you have a "smart" AI that does it's best to fix it. A Cortana copy, forced to copy herself under duress, started a chain reaction that result in a blizzard of Cortanas.

My sense is that you can't copy that special "something" that AIs have. It might be possible to copy "dumb" AIs, since I am not sure Bungie has revealed how those AIs are constructed. But, humans lag behind in understanding the principles behind the intelligence and creativity of smart AIs. The fact that humanity has a shortage of AIs seems to confirm that AI cannot be copied.

On the otherhand, I don't think it's beyond doubt that Melissa would have a copy of the various code that makes her up. If anything should happen to a particular memory, or what not, she can contact this backup.

The Sleeping Princess cannot be a rational being, based on human technology. This leads me to conclude that their is something of that ole Forerunner magic somewhere in her code. Where, and how it is expressed, who knows?

Luke P.

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:00 pm

nil
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[SPECcy McSpec-Spec]

GunsmithCat wrote:

Queen from killer.jpg's:

Quote:

Question:

Are you the Queen?

Answers:

Knock, knock. Hello?

the Queen isn't an innocent

Dead yet alive the queen's a monstrous verminous bug.

the Queen was wondering how long the Sleeping Princess would keep if

stored in an airtight container. I can only watch from the shadows,

piecing together what I may

Guess I feel the Queen isn't something good
Guess I feel the Queen will be swift and terrible.

So - the Queen put her there?

Sounds like it to me. Currently, I like the idea that either
a)Melissa backed herself up after she first becme aware that she might be infected
or b) perhaps Melissa was experimenting to see if she could somehow extend the life of an AI (bold text above), possibly by limiting the AI's capabilities/resources ("stored in an airtight container") [2nd edit: it's entirely possible this AI might be a copy of the 'young' Melissa]

Problem with a) being the we all know its useless to back up a file that's already been infected. Having said that, she may have made the backup then 'stored' it in a state where it couldnt develop/age and become further infected. Perhaps she was planning to work out how to destroy the virus so she could disinfect the backup and then commit suicide.

edited for spelling

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:15 pm
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GunsmithCat
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Re: another question

rose wrote:

Quote:

As I recall, copying smart AIs in the Haloverse doesn't work very well (the copies are unstable or somesuch).

We assume he's human because

a) Melissa mentions holoing to communicate with him.
b) Another crew member seems to have human interaction with him.

As for copying smart AI's - that's why I think Princess sounds "young". She is a damaged, or truncated, copy.

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:26 pm

vegasdaemon
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first post!

First post on the board, but I wanted to continue where this is going.

If the Princess is a copy of Melissa in her non-infected form, it's very possible it matches up to the killer.jpg messages. The backup of her original code could have been kept on file, and when Melissa realized that she was infected, stored this backup in a quarantined space, where it had no real access to functions and what not.

In relation to the killer.jpg story, a Princess is usually found to be virgin, pure , but yet foolish and carefree. This could be why the Princess's text is showing to be somewhat kiddish in nature. Giddy, carefree. She's playing games of hide and seek. This is before she learned her military role.

Now, as a Queen, a Queen takes on much more responsibility. She's a military role in a sense (behind every King is a strong Queen). And Queens tend to be quite vengeful and angry. This explains Melissa's anger at Dana. And as with all political figures, they tend to be manipulated by advisors without knowing (the flea now being her primary consultant without her knowledge)

With this information, I tend to definitely go in the direction that the Princess is an initial backup that was quarantined.

Another thought of interest, is that SPDR might have been trying to reconstruct Melissa from her last known good configuration, which was before the crash, but after her infection. When SPDR recreated her main sector, kind of her minimal mind, she saw these reconstructions as being hideous (because they were foreign to her, alien-like, infected body parts). Now that the flea has her again, she's back into the mindset that this body is her own and it'll do for her purposes (and when the flea regains control of Melissa, Melissa no longer has any questions regarding her reconstructed system and of her new priorities (to reveal a truth).

Just wanted to purge what was on my mind.

Vegasdaemon.

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:35 pm

HitsHerMark
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Joined: 22 Aug 2004
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Location: Austin, TX

Re: [SPEC]

nil wrote:

from the last update (Melissa text):

Quote:

Shipwrecked sailor. (The young stage of a bee found him, the clever one, adrift on a wine-dark sea, but I can't remember her name.)

Sounds to me like Melissa might be talking about the Sleeping Princess here: a princess is the 'young stage' of a queen (bee?), and we all seem to agree that the Princess is reasonably smart...so maybe Melissa once knew about the Princess but the memories have been erased?

Or perhaps the Princess is "Durga" and nobody knows her name because they can't find it out?

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