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[LOCKED] [PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
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cbranch101
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 		[PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
This is my first post, so hello everyone,

As i've been reading through all of these posts it seems like we're really making very little headway and hitting several brick walls. All these conflicting theories are bouncing off of each other as everyone tries to make sense out of these non-sensical coordinates. For some reason this whole process made me think of problems I've had interpretting poetry. When you look at a really complex poem and just search for meaning right away you get nothing. There's too many possible, and not enough concreteness to get your mind around. The first step to interpretting poetry is to look for what doesn't fit. What sticks out.. what seems to contradict.

This I think, should be the plan of action at the moment for trying to deal with this puzzle. We can scour all day for similarities, and that is a no doubt helpful contribution, but I think If we start looking for the things that DONT make sense, and trying to explain why, then we can at least have something concrete to look at.

Also, these things are significant on a very specific, micro level, so you can find an anomly in your home town that could contribute to the understanding of the puzzle as a whole.

Here's the first anomaly I found. It really seems to stick out to me.

I live in Boulder Colorado. There are four points within the Boulder city limits. There's one in longmont(10 miles away) and one in the superior area(12 miles away) one in fort collins(30 miles away_ Looking at the map, these are the only points for about.. a 400 hundred mile radius around. The entire metro denver area is left out. Denver is full of fiber optic acitivity(the backbone theory) Landmarks.. Video Game stores, malls, post offices, and media outlets(The locations theory) This fact seems to contradict a vast number of the theories out there. So the question becomes Why Boulder?
Why does our little liberal college town get four locations, while metro denver gets none.

Anomaly number
40.017688, -105.275629
40.020125, -105.252832

I can't speak for the number of times this phenomena occurs, but if it happens even once it should be significant.

These two points are about.. 40 yards apart.
That right there almost disproves the backbones and wifi theories. two hubs so close to each other? doubtful.. and two wifi hotspots that close to each other.. It would be utterly pointless. It also sheds some doubt on the overlaying image theory. Two points that close to each other appear as one on a larger map. If we could figure out what possible reason there would be to have two points 40 yards apart.. I think it could reveal alot about the nature of this puzzle.

But yah, The way I thought about this.. People could post different anomalies they found, either in their home town or just as a whole. Maybe some would complement each other, and rather than just amassing data.. we could amass some sort of logical information.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:38 pm
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 		Re: [PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
cbranch101 wrote:


But yah, The way I thought about this.. People could post different anomalies they found, either in their home town or just as a whole. Maybe some would complement each other, and rather than just amassing data.. we could amass some sort of logical information.


great thought and definitely a blow to a couple of the theories.

the only coords close to an anomaly near me would be three Burbank locations... haven't checked them out yet but one is

4213 W Olive ave, Burbank, CA 91522

another is

741 N 1st St, Burbank, CA 91502

last is

551 N San Fernando Blvd, Burbank, CA 91502

all relatively close to each other....

who knows though

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 		2 of the Chicago locations are literally across the street from eachother.

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 		My theory is bus stops. does anyone directly contradict this? Lemme know.
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 		There is no bus stop at the Sun times building, for one.

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 		http://bees.netninja.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:GPS_Locations#Row-070_Col-002

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I had to drive up a single lane dirt road for most of the way to get there. It is about 100-200 feet from a major highway that connects Boulder and Denver. There was a small orange flag and a tower for power lines.


It seems doubtful that there'd be a bus stop there.
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 		If the solution to this ends up having nothing to do with having us visit these locations... then the PMs are just being jerks.

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 		This stuff is helpful guys but I think you misunderstood me to an extent. When I say anomalies I don't mean specifically two points that are right next to each other, I just mean anything that seems strange.. or out of place, or unexplainable within the construct of information we've collected.

Oh and in regards to the bus stops theory, The two points within yards of each other seem to pretty well refute that.

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Grout wrote:
If the solution to this ends up having nothing to do with having us visit these locations... then the PMs are just being jerks.


Why? It's our (well, your - I don't live in the US Very Happy) jumping to conclusions. As someone else has pointed out -it's extremely unlikely that the PMs have visited all the locations. So why should we?

Still, examining the differences between locations on a very local level is a good idea. I applaud this thread.
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 		All I meant was... if one was to make a puzzle that consisted of GPS coordinates - how could you NOT expect us to GO to these coordinates. I'm just picturing the PMs laughing and watching us all drive around the country when the answer is actually something like subtracting the numbers or making anagrams. Look at them sit there. Laughing. Mocking us. Sipping on their Pina Coladas. Those jerks.

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Grout wrote:
All I meant was... if one was to make a puzzle that consisted of GPS coordinates - how could you NOT expect us to GO to these coordinates. I'm just picturing the PMs laughing and watching us all drive around the country when the answer is actually something like subtracting the numbers or making anagrams. Look at them sit there. Laughing. Mocking us. Sipping on their Pina Coladas. Those jerks.


Well, y'know? If I wanted to make a puzzle that would have a huge, time-consuming red herring, I'd encode a message in numbers that happened to look like GPS co-ordinates... Smile
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Dorkmaster wrote:
My theory is bus stops. does anyone directly contradict this? Lemme know.


Okay... while I don't necessarily agree with the bus stops theory, I wouldn't put it past MS to send buses to those locations. This might explain distribution problems, except that you would have to assume the buses would be headed to Texas, and that Texans would find out about it.

This also helps to fit into my ultimate theory about what will happen when this game concludes: playable Halo 2. Not like you think, though... in the UK Bungie/Microsoft are hosting an event in which people can come and play (it's on Bungie.net somewhere, but I can't find the link right now). I would imagine they'd have a similar event here in the US, maybe ilovebees was set up to promote it and reward those who followed it by letting them know where it is first or something.
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cbranch101 wrote:
This stuff is helpful guys but I think you misunderstood me to an extent. When I say anomalies I don't mean specifically two points that are right next to each other, I just mean anything that seems strange.. or out of place, or unexplainable within the construct of information we've collected.


Like the absence of any points in the whole of Texas.

A subtle, 268,601 square mile hint from the Puppet-Masters to look at not what's right, but what's wrong?

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 		Re: [PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
cbranch101 wrote:

I live in Boulder Colorado. There are four points within the Boulder city limits. There's one in longmont(10 miles away) and one in the superior area(12 miles away) one in fort collins(30 miles away_ Looking at the map, these are the only points for about.. a 400 hundred mile radius around. The entire metro denver area is left out. Denver is full of fiber optic acitivity(the backbone theory) Landmarks.. Video Game stores, malls, post offices, and media outlets(The locations theory) This fact seems to contradict a vast number of the theories out there. So the question becomes Why Boulder?
Why does our little liberal college town get four locations, while metro denver gets none.


Not exactly, Denver does have a coordinate near Union Station.

Row 37
Column 2

39.7528 -104.9997

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 		These sets of coords really stand out. I mean, there is absolutely nothing to be seen at that place. I think this is a really huge hint that maybe we don't need to check *every* coord to see what they have in common...

Coords: 46.7297,-110.0067 (it's a forest!)

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