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[UPDATE] Dana's Blog
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Astald
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My spec on communication with the Queen, is that if she does eventually "metastisize" onto other sites, if we are still even using that term now, one may be a blogger or some other site that would let us share information that way. But I am not so sure we will ever communicate with her, so far the only characters we can communicate with are Dana and the Sleeping Princess. It is already too late to communicate with the Spider, if that was even possible considering she was just a program. The Flea also seems to be more or less a program, so there is little point communicating with him, other than possibly trying to stop him from further corruption of Melissa(yes GunsmithCat, I am starting to believe he is an evil character, but I'm not yet convinced). I think right now the Sleeping Princess is basically a narrator character, trying to explain the things we can't see going on inside the "Castle" or server, or whatever. Dana would be our middleman, capable of making changes if we somehow do find a way to alter the situation on ILB. Even though she is in China, she could probably still contact Margaret.
Back to the point, we can communicate with the Sleeping Princess, and she has commented that she likes to play tricks on the Queen. So if we wanted to distract her, we have to further build trust with SP and maybe she will be willing to help. Then we can have Dana apply whatever change need be.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:20 pm
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Tru7h
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I think, as great as that would be, that we are running out of time to gain additional trust with SP. So, as of now, I would have to agree that contact with the queen of any real helpfullness is probably out of the question. Any other ideas then?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:57 pm
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chaotic_mind
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I'm not sure. I think the Princess may trust us. After all, we brought back her beloved Dana.

Tru7h wrote:
I think, as great as that would be, that we are running out of time to gain additional trust with SP.


Since wide-awake and physical happens...in eight days, I think we may have some time.

Hopefully we can get the Princess talking to us much more then she has in the past, as well as talking to us individually. Her power still seems to be less then that of the Queen, and somewhat limited to hiding and the odd graffiti on the site. the Princess is not beyond the Queen's anger. Remeber the little giggle? I'm not sure we want to ask the Princess to sacrifice herself for Dana at this juncture. If we did that, we wouldn't have a man on the inside.

While we DEFINITELY shouldn't assume that the power of the Queen, especially wide-awake and physical, is something to scoff at, I think Dana is safe for the time-being. (By which I mean, behind the curtain wise, is that Dana isn't going to die without us getting more clues to the puzzle.)

Still, I feel I must contribute SOMETHING to the Dana Defense Fund. Let me think...

I don't think it's as simple as just "pulling the plug" anymore. Dana likely tried to isolate the ilovebees server physically after she started to feel really threatened by the intelligence behind the site. "I'm going far, far away." "It's SEEN me." Dana probably tried to cut the contact to her server, and that didn't affect connectivity. Either that or Dana paniced and never thought of this. We should ask, eh?

But, could "network throttling" have meant that the Queen was trapped in the server. When that ended, it escaped. And now, with metastasis, the cancer is spreading even farther.

Hmm...In which case, we can't "contain" the Queen. We have to attack her foolish campaign at the source.

I don't want to destroy the Queen, though. Sadly, that is looking to be the case.

Still, I can't help remember the way Dr. Halsey dealt with Araquiel on Reach (in the book First Strike, see below if you have not read that book). "An antiquated input methodolgy for an obsolete human." Hmmm. That'd be all of us, beekeepers, wouldn't it? Obsolete humans. Still, this is Halo spec that is rather OOG at this point.

For the non-haloers, Dr. Halsey was using an archaic command line interface to deal directly with the AI's core code.
First Strike wrote:
The holograph of Araquiel leaned over her shoulder. "What is that? I don't recognize that directory path...or those"--he sniffed derisively--"line commands."
Using this, she was able to activate the AI's insta-kill switch. The switch used UV radiation to destroy the "Riemann cycling-thought matrix", clearing the AI's "high thought fucntion.

Well, I tried. Dunno

Luke P.

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Shad0
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Re: [NEW UPDATE] Dana's blog

chaotic_mind wrote:
I don't think it's as simple as just "pulling the plug" anymore. Dana likely tried to isolate the ilovebees server physically after she started to feel really threatened by the intelligence behind the site. "I'm going far, far away." "It's SEEN me." Dana probably tried to cut the contact to her server, and that didn't affect connectivity. Either that or Dana paniced and never thought of this. We should ask, eh?

Random thought: Wasn't it SPDR that kept putting Melissa back together every time Dana tried to delete her? And now that SPDR is gone, does that mean that, if Melissa were overwritten, she'd stay overwritten?

(Of course, this ignores (1) the fact that Dana is in China, and not bloody likely to risk coming back to tackle Melissa again; (2) the fairly good odds that Melissa is now able to restore herself without SPDR; and (3) the question of whether we should want to disable Melissa. Just something to ponder.)
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Shad0 wrote:
Wasn't it SPDR that kept putting Melissa back together every time Dana tried to delete her? And now that SPDR is gone, does that mean that, if Melissa were overwritten, she'd stay overwritten?


Well, you certainly got me wondering about that fact too.

Warning: I bring up some OOG Halo in this response. And some in-game ideas too, don't worry.

As I was looking over First Strike I realized that the cognition of a Halo AI isn't contained in normal storage media. Instead AIs have their own special crystals that house them. How did Melissa make the transition to ilovebees? Metempsycosis, anyone? Anyway, the crystal can contain information, much like RAM can. Too much, though, and the AI slows down, and becomes intellectually sluggish. Would it be beyond reason that the crystal could contain precious memories that Melissa often accessed?

Anyway, enough for the stuff that remains out of game, barring an update.

In response to Shad0's points

Shad0 wrote:
(1) the fact that Dana is in China, and not bloody likely to risk coming back to tackle Melissa again


Dana might not want to try it, and I doubt she'd have Aunt Margaret do it. But, there's the Sleeping Princess. Prehaps the Princess could trigger something that could delete the Queen, like a reformat of the drives. A heroic sacrifice, to be sure, story-wise.

Auuuuggghhhh. That's the problem with this ARG so far. So much speculation, and good ideas. Just not a big enough dataset to compare it too.

Luke "Patience" P.

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Tru7h
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Yeah, left that out before. When I said "additional trust" I had meant to go on to say that that was fine because it seems she pretty much trusts us enough already.

But who's the right guy to throw the question to her? Surely if 50 people ask her about talking to the queen, we're in trouble.

Oh, and SPEC- Do you guys actually think Dana might be tragically killed? As attached as we are, I might just have to laugh at that...

Sad .... Confused ..... Smile .... Laughing
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Astald
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I think it would fit in good with the story line to have the Queen axe Dana, or maybe even Margaret, if she can't get her hands on Dana.
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As I was looking over First Strike I realized that the cognition of a Halo AI isn't contained in normal storage media. Instead AIs have their own special crystals that house them.

That made me remember that Dana talked about going backpacking in China, is it possible she has been backpacking alot? I think she said she did it once right after the ILB thing started. What I am getting to is maybe she picked up that crystal in one of her backpacking trips, thinking it was nothing more than a pretty rock. Maybe I will e-mail her and ask about it, she hasn't e-mailed me back yet so I'm feeling pretty left out. But do you think this is possible chaotic_mind, could Dana have just picked up the AI crystal and it could have taken over the server from there, or does it need some type of special power source or input?

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Astald wrote:
But do you think this is possible chaotic_mind, could Dana have just picked up the AI crystal and it could have taken over the server from there, or does it need some type of special power source or input?


Based on what I've read, I'd have to say no. There would have to be some sort of mechanism to communicate between the crystal and the computer. I don't think it'd be in existence in 2004. But, that's assuming whatever Forerunner or Covenant artifact Melissa came into contact with didn't change her somehow. Allowing transfer of an AI intelligence to another medium seems possible, considering these are the same guys and gals that can bend fate to their whims. If she can "hop" from computer system to computer system, it might explain how she can create a body for herself.

Luke P.

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I'm of two minds as to what we should do, or ask Dana to do.

1. Hold up a big sign in front of the webcam, "Date: 2004, Place: Earth, Status: Not at war. Sorry about the attempt to delete you. Can we start over?"
Or post such a message to the website. Mind you there's no indication the Queen ever reads the site, unless that's what she means by re-reading old log files. And this might just play into the Flea's hands, if it really is a tool to find Earth.

2. Delete the Queen and, out of curiosity and good intentions, wake the Princess. Can Dana administer the site remotely? Someone went off on the "pig-like snort" phrase and directed us to www.snort.org, a toolkit for monitoring Apache network intrusion detection. ("I heard you had a 'strong intrusive inclination' problem...") Would such a tool in Dana's hands be capable of distinguishing Queen from Princess, and, I dunno, copying "extern proc 0" to "master sector proc"?

Hmm. If I was sitting at the console, how would I phrase that?

extern proc 1->null
master sector proc->null
extend extern proc 0->master sector
kindle extern proc 0

That can't be quite right. But we have a lot of SPDR code to work out the correct phrasing. And THAT would be worth sending to Dana.

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Everyone's been talking about killing the Queen, but is that really what we want to happen? The Operator technically isn't evil, she's only reacting to what she perceived as an attack by a hacker or traitor.

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1. Hold up a big sign in front of the webcam, "Date: 2004, Place: Earth, Status: Not at war. Sorry about the attempt to delete you. Can we start over?"
Or post such a message to the website. Mind you there's no indication the Queen ever reads the site, unless that's what she means by re-reading old log files. And this might just play into the Flea's hands, if it really is a tool to find Earth.


LOL, those are the best ideas I've seen so far. Seriously, I think the focus right now should be in explaining things to the Operator, *before* she goes wide-awake and physical and becomes more dangerous. But with Dana in China right now she can't exactly apologize via webcam...the SP seems to be the only one with a clear line of communication, but trying to get a message across might put her at risk (and now that the Queen seems to be under the Flea's control, we don't even know if she's *capable* of being talked out of killing Dana; she seems pretty single-minded about it)

Did you guys ever work out who was going to e-mail the Princess? [/quote]

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The Operator technically isn't evil


Yet. With the Flea "whispering in her ear" (i.e. overwriting her mind), I suspect that's just a matter of time. Also bear in mind, power misguided may effectively be "evil" anyway. Even now she'd have happily offed Dana given the chance.
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Jacqueline
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Er...is the blog down now, or what? I just typed a pretty lengthy comment and then lost it due to an Internal Server error. And now for some reason it looks like the link to post a new one is gone.

I just really hope the folks over at Bungie haven't done something because of all the trolls an OT discussion...may just be my browser though.

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Re: [UPDATE] Dana's blog

Jacqueline wrote:
Er...is the blog down now, or what? I just typed a pretty lengthy comment and then lost it due to an Internal Server error. And now for some reason it looks like the link to post a new one is gone.

I just really hope the folks over at Bungie haven't done something because of all the trolls an OT discussion...may just be my browser though.

The link is still there for me, and it appears to be working normally (although I didn't actually try to post anything myself). Dunno
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Annnd, it seems to be working now. Though I refreshed it several time before and it never showed up. Weird.

Oh well, I'm not going to sit here and retype my comment at 2:30 in the morning; I get the feeling most of the people there aren't too serious about the game anyway...

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On another note, I was a little disappointed there wasn't an update today (seeing as it's a Tuesday and all...). I really wish we'd hear more from Dana; everyone here is going crazy losing sleep over those coordinates, but she's just traisping around in China and not letting us know much.

I mean, seriously, look at all the people out there who sit around and blog endlessly about whatever stupid thing just happened in their boring life; and then we have Dana, who is being hunted by an AI *from the future* for God's sake, and she can only find things to say like once every handful of days? Very Happy

Of course it's not like I expect the characters to do any work on the puzzles or anything, but in this case the whole point is that she's *supposed* to want help figuring this stuff out. It's not like she would have to give any actual information, I just think it would be a nice touch (and more realistic) to have her post a couple messages now and then, even if there just of the 'freaked out and confused' variety.

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