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Extrasonic
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 		DIV ID="transmit"
In the list of "hot axons", found here:

http://www.ilovebees.com/links.html

Does anyone else find it odd that all the coordinates are marked with a div id of "transmit" when you look at the source of the page? All other CSS tags were taken from the CSS that was already on the page - the font class of "dana_big", for example, is the pre-Operator CSS class that is used as the font for the coordinates in the table. "Transmit" isn't. "Transmit" is new to phase 3, and we sure as heck know that Dana didn't add it.

Is something being transmitted to these coordinates or from these coordinates? Or are the coordinates themselves being transmitted?

I've been out of town since late Monday night and I'm just getting back into the swing of things, so I'm happy to be trouted and redirected if there's better discussion of this elsewhere. I did perform the standard "search the forums and the wiki before posting" precaution before bringing this up, however.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:29 am
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handfulofhoneybees
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 		We need to make an important distinction here.

Drizjr said:
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I looked up my own IP on geobytes. Took the lat/long from there and pushed them through MapQuest.
While it is not where I'm sitting at my computer, it matched the map from Row 103/Col 01... off by only six city blocks.
To me, it's close enough to say that Melissa is tracking us down through the emails


My suggestion to use Geobytes was motivated because I wanted to know how the PMs generated that massive list of coordinates. As I said, I have little input on what to do with such information if it is nailed down.

Drizjr's observation, while interesting, does not tell us whether the PMs were using the IP locator tool. The only evidence that will be sufficient to convince me that they are using it will be when a number of beekeepers step forward saying, 'Hey, when I put my IP in, I got precisely Row 74 Col 2's coordinates! Granted, it's not where I live, but the PMs don't know that. As far as she knows, the Queen was pointing to me!'

The reason I'm pushing this angle so hard is because I feel that if we know how the numbers were generated, we might be able to form some hypotheses as to what they mean. 4-decimal-point precision is critical here. If the IP used to generate a coordinate is yours, then the locator will return an exact match -- a 'fuzzy' match 3 blocks away is just as meaningless as 'fuzzy' matches like ones i've been getting that are 1,000 miles away. The smoking gun is in that fourth decimal point.

There is one weakness in this strategy: many of us have dynamic IP addresses that have been registered under several physical locations. That's why the locator tells me I'm in California rather than in Chicago. This means that if your IP has changed since the hypothetical time at which the PMs harvested them, you won't see a match. Thus, under the working assumptions, we can expect to have a number of false negatives.

Drizjr, I agree that a hit so close to home gives you that tingling sensation of confirmation. I think the inexact proximity may still be explainable under my hypothesis -- that is, a coord may indeed be trying to point to you -- but we need some data to flesh it out a bit.

So once again, I implore the beekeepers! Locate yourself using any IP locator tool you can dig up on Google! Report perfect hits promptly, but near-perfect hits only when it seems like we've run out of options.

Happy hunting.

Handfulofhoneybees

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:24 am
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Daden
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 		I have looked around for this theory everywhere else, and I don't think it has ever been persued (also checked the wiki), and I think it could solve the problems we have with no points in texas...

If you look in the latest e-mail sent from Aunt Margret's account (August 14th), which in it has a story about road building and how the flea screwed up and built one out into the ocean (the mess-up by the PM's putting the co-ordiante in the ocean.) If you notice, most if not all of the co-ordiantes are on roads. I suggest that we take where we believe ILB is located in San Fransisco and Texas (could be explination as to why there are no points in Texas) and we draw lines from those points out to all the other points. And if that were to show nothing, perhaps draw the physical roads connecting those points and perhaps that would come out with something...?

This is all speculation, boarding on wild-spec, but it could be worth a shot... the Aug. 14th. e-mail can be intrepreted to do this pretty much... sorry if this is a trout, and if it is I will happily take the beating. Smile

Daden

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:11 pm
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Grout
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Daden wrote:
I have looked around for this theory everywhere else, and I don't think it has ever been persued (also checked the wiki), and I think it could solve the problems we have with no points in texas...

If you look in the latest e-mail sent from Aunt Margret's account (August 14th), which in it has a story about road building and how the flea screwed up and built one out into the ocean (the mess-up by the PM's putting the co-ordiante in the ocean.) If you notice, most if not all of the co-ordiantes are on roads. I suggest that we take where we believe ILB is located in San Fransisco and Texas (could be explination as to why there are no points in Texas) and we draw lines from those points out to all the other points. And if that were to show nothing, perhaps draw the physical roads connecting those points and perhaps that would come out with something...?

This is all speculation, boarding on wild-spec, but it could be worth a shot... the Aug. 14th. e-mail can be intrepreted to do this pretty much... sorry if this is a trout, and if it is I will happily take the beating. Smile

Daden



I can already picture in my head what a map with the 220 points around the country all connected by lines to either san fran or san antonio would look like. Think about it. So can you. If we connected all the roads, (a time consuming endevour, I'm sure) we would end up with a wobblier version of this. I doubt it would be useful unless we expect the covenant to attack with giant koosh balls.

Again I will try to point out that the NUMERICAL thread is for all your glorious graphing, drawing, and math related spec. Here we are trying to figure out what is AT these locations, and what THAT might mean.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:04 pm
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kalamazoo
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 		Here's a combined table that (I think) contains the essence of all tables so far posted. Hope it helps!

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 4:06 pm
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John Incognito
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 		Re: Seattle Gps cords: They look like they form a arrow or X
jbd wrote:
John Incognito wrote:
Has anyone noticed the GPS Cordinates form a arrow/cross if you look at them all together?


You want this other thread. The thread you're in now is for discussing viewing the puzzle from the standpoint of things at the locations (malls, pay phones, signs, etc).


Alright sorry about that.. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 6:51 pm
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 		Just a thought
Since we're talking about the halo universe, There's a lot to do with Space. Now let's say that these coordinates were attack points for the covenant. And These coordinates infact aren't relative to earth, but to Space instead. So I definitely don't have the technology to check this. But if someone could check if Space has coordinates like this, and also if there are, see if they can find where they are. These coordinates might mean something else other than a covenant attack though. This idea is tottally open, the only thing I have a hunch on is these Coordinates are somewhere in Space, which we've explored to date. Dunno

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 		Another one
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All the characters we're interacting with are AIs. All of them "live" inside computer networks. All of them "see" the world in terms of data transmission and software.

Anything not expressly linked to physical world objects should be seen in THEIR light, not ours, when interpreting what was said. Which means in terms of server ports, switch commands, packets, traceroutes, system calls, etc.

You have to account for the witness's biases, or you'll never get a clear picture of what's going on. And AIs can't help but be biased towards a systems-based viewpoint.


Since we have know figured where exactly a lot of coordinates are, any actual adresses should be checked to see if they have access to the internet, I have no idea where I'm going with this, I have a second feeling, my first hunch might be wrong(check anyways), that internet, or connections have something to do with it.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:16 pm
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gohoos
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 		Re: Just a thought
Theorizer wrote:
But if someone could check if Space has coordinates like this, and also if there are, see if they can find where they are.


Space is 3d. The coordinates we have are 2d.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:23 pm
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 		Re: Just a thought
gohoos wrote:


Space is 3d. The coordinates we have are 2d.


True. But that might be we're the number behind the decimal point come in.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:27 pm
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 		Oh and...
The coordinates might be cubed. So 32 would be a block of space, of a certain size. maybe 1,000,000km3.Or something

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Grout
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 		Does no one think there is any credibility in me and handful's IP theory? I know it's not very exciting, but IMO it makes the most sense with the plot, and with the scale of this ARG as we have seen it so far...

Seriously... at the very least as a favor to a hopeless beekeeper who has posted over 70 times in the last 3 days... EVERYONE GO HERE

Just see if the coordinates it gives your IP EXACTLY match any of the coords from ILB. Even if a SINGLE ONE does... the sheer improbability of the #s matching by chance would prove this theory true.

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chaotic_mind
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 		If you are looking for confirmation, then yes, Grout, I'd have to say I think your idea has merit. Why else would there be a coordinate out in the middle of South Dakota unless the Queen got that from me? Unfortunately I am near the southwestern edge of South Dakota, the coordinate from the website is in the middle north of the state, and my IP address gives me a location in the middle south. The points, besides all being in South Dakota, don't have much geographical correspondence.

So, all things considerd I still don't have enough info to say your theory is my theory. All three theories have flaws and advantages in my opinion. But it is still a good theory worth exploration.

Consider this post to represent a "qualified negative" for my IP address equaling a bee coord.

Luke P.

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 		I appreciate it Luke.... Just was wondering if anyone out there was listening to me...

Thanks

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 		I tried it and got no where. (frozen north fields of Canada) Sorry
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