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[PUZZLE] Axons: Literal
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nobodyman
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vpisteve wrote:

Call me a crackpot, I don't care. Very Happy But I have yet to see anything in any other threads that convinces me otherwise, and I've seen my share of coordinates puzzles, believe me. Live events and geocaches have been done before, and they'll be done again. This is nothing new, although it may definitely rasie the bar quite a bit.


Crackpot? Noooo no no, that would be too strong a word. "Loon" maybe, perhaps "nutjob"... but crackpot would be way outta line Wink

Personally, I don't know what to make of it all. I lean toward the school that says that nothing is going to happen *at* these locations. First, there's the logistics argument: it seems like too much to pull off a simultaneous (or same day) appearance in 200+ locations all for some guerilla marketing campaign. Second (and in my mind, this is the more important point), is the fact that some of these locations are incacessable or on private property. Take for example, Row-019 Col-002:
someone from the wiki wrote:
We couldn't come close to pinpointing this one, because as best we could tell, the coordinate lay in a wooded stand of trees. Mostly inaccessible, and probably privately owned.
I seriously doubt many PM's would risk trespassing citations to advance the plot of a game.

Still, the coordinates *are* precise. They all lay in the United States (there was a correction to ensure this). This *must* be significant in some way.... I just don't know how. Yet.

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Oh yeah, I also wanted to say that I feel the locations are also relative. I believe that something literal will happen at the relative locations once we can weed out the ones that are "nowhere". I am working on that, and am also creating a separate list of "somewhere's, but unlikely (in front of the Capitol building in the morning?-security risk maybe?).
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I haven't been one to buy into the "Something Will Happen At Each Location" spec, but something occured to me after reading the other posts in this thread. If something were to happen at each location, some people have stated that it would be hard to tell who/what was in-game each location. But it wouldn't be hard to figure it out if you were at the location at 6 AM. The majority of these locations are in high traffic areas. But I bet it would be easy to spot the guy in front of the Sears Tower that's in-game when he's the only one there. Just a thought.
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6AM Operator timezone is 8AM Sears Tower timezone.

8AM at the Sears Tower is quite busy.

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Ah, but the countdown is on local time, not Operator time.
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I do understand that, but does that mean that the axons go hot in staggered increments? So does that mean I can sleep in a bit if I set my alarm to wake me up and see how the East coast is doing - and if nothing happens there, then it'll be a wave of disappointment, sweeping across America!

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krystyn wrote:
I do understand that, but does that mean that the axons go hot in staggered increments? So does that mean I can sleep in a bit if I set my alarm to wake me up and see how the East coast is doing - and if nothing happens there, then it'll be a wave of disappointment, sweeping across America!


Smile Well, I'll certainly not be up at 6:07AM localtime (though I will be alive and kicking at 6:07AM American time, but nowhere near the Internet, I'm on holiday then!). And no, I don't expect anything to have happened by 6:07 my time, but that's inconsistent with the countdown, grr Smile

That does give me an on-topic point though. What will people do if they turn up (yawning and excited) and nothing happens? Sad
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I for one, will try to be there, but I just don't know if I can do it at 6:07 am... (without my wife freaking out, at least! Mr. Green ) Anyway, I do expect to find something there that day. While it may be excessive to find people there on that day, I don't think it's absurd IN THE LEAST to have an object, piece of paper, a package, etc show up that day. I mean, how hard is it to hire a courier? Much less than it does to pay someone to stand around all day, and FedEx or anyone really could get someone to ANY of those locations, and do it all the same day, around the same time. So I don't think it's too absurd to think something will happen at those locations. But a guy in a bee suit handing out Halo2 demo discs? Shyeah, right! [/Wayne's World Reference]

Anyway, I just want to make certain that people are not discounting this possibility because they think it needs to be a physical person distributing something for there to be an actual connection to these points. Yeah, it stinks for the people out of the US, and for those in Texas and such, but that's why it's NOT a demo disc, and most likely a new puzzle, not just a solve. Also, those outside of the country, I just have to say you rock, but don't be offended, since this is an obvious United States marketing ploy. The trailer, while yes, on the web, was originally screened on American movie theatres, which just tells me that the US was the intended "market" for the marketing campaign that is ILB. (I know that sounds elitist, and I really don't mean for it to sound that way... please understand that this is just IMO, and all y'all from around the globe that are involved are awesome, and we couldn't do it without you, but marketing is always marketing, and that there has to be a demographic! [/cynycism])
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Re: [PUZZLE] Axons: Literal

Two interesting (to me, anyway Mr. Green ) observations:

(1) A while back, Dorkmaster suggested that I investigate whether the Glendale coordinate is near a bus stop, which it is. Today I took a closer look. One of the bus routes that stops there is route #2 of the Glendale Beeline. Really. No, I'm not kidding.

(2) Upon consulting http://www.terrafly.com to pinpoint a more exact location, it turns out that the GPS coordinates are not really at 203 South Central Avenue, but are right in the middle of the intersection of Central and Harvard. Although we've been focusing primarily on two dimensions, I happened to look down. There are three manhole covers in that intersection. One of them may well be directly on the GPS coordinates. I sure wish I had a map of the Glendale sewer system.

Anyway, has anyone else looked down at their coordinate locations?
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Hello, this is my first post, and I am new to these forums. I have been reading up on this ARG, as I find it very interesting. I wish I had been in on this since the beginning of the game, but I've only been reading for about a week.

As for the axons, there aren't any GPS locations near where I live, but I just wanted to add/contribute in some speculation of my own. Feel free to shoot me down Wink

1.) When the A.I. becomes "wide awake and physical," it will spread to these locations. Maybe these locations are near/at satellites, or any device capable of transmitting information across great distances, perhaps through space?

2.) Maybe these coordinates aren't to suggest something is going to happen at these locations at the countdown, but perhaps these coordinates will be transmitted at the countdown? Since this ARG is somehow tied to Halo 2, perhaps the AI will transmit these locations to the Covenant as locations to attack or deploy troops? The reason I suggest this is because the GPS locations seem to be concentrated at the same locations U.S. military bases are located. Here is a PDF document showing military bases in the United States. They seem to be high in concentration in the same areas as the GPS locations are. All of this is just wild spec..

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Loki wrote:

2.) Maybe these coordinates aren't to suggest something is going to happen at these locations at the countdown, but perhaps these coordinates will be transmitted at the countdown? Since this ARG is somehow tied to Halo 2, perhaps the AI will transmit these locations to the Covenant as locations to attack or deploy troops? The reason I suggest this is because the GPS locations seem to be concentrated at the same locations U.S. military bases are located. Here is a PDF document showing military bases in the United States. They seem to be high in concentration in the same areas as the GPS locations are. All of this is just wild spec..


Hey, that gives me an idea!

What if she's going to spread to those areas and use them to gather forces to launch a preemptive strike agains tht e Covenant home systems, using a 'sleeper ship' (an automated spacecraft - most likely camouflaged as a rogue asteroid/comet/etc in this case - that carries humans in cryogenic suspension from point A to point B, much lik the USS Copernicus from the Babylon 5 episode The Long Dark?)

Just my $0.02 worth of wild spec.
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Here's my problem with the theory above me, or two above me concerning transmissions from Melissa to the Covenant:

Melissa/Operator was a shipboard AI for EARTH! Now I understand, before all y'all start drooling on your keyboards for replies, that the flea is in charge currently, and that Melissa is not necessarily herself (we think). However, that still, in my wildest nightmares, tell me that she would still betray her ONE true purpose, which is to aid in the preservation of Earth and what it stands for... Anyway, that's my 2 cents...

edit - BTW, it also wouldn't be camoflaged as an asteroid or something, cuz it was clearly using "yacht" as a cover story, and you don't do much yachting on asteroids...

And in response to Shad0's comment regarding the sewer system/manhole covers... I really find that intriguing... maybe it relates to that T-U-R-T-L-E Power???
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Dorkmaster wrote:

edit - BTW, it also wouldn't be camoflaged as an asteroid or something, cuz it was clearly using "yacht" as a cover story, and you don't do much yachting on asteroids...

And in response to Shad0's comment regarding the sewer system/manhole covers... I really find that intriguing... maybe it relates to that T-U-R-T-L-E Power???


1) If you're launching a covert preemptive strike on an enemy, you'd want to use something inconspicuous. A pleasure yacht in Covenant space would be extremely conspicuous, whereas a rogue asteroid or comet wouldn't.

2) That "T-U-R-T-L-E Power" thing (along with "need help right quick, on the double") came from the lyrics to 'Turtle Power', which - at least for the Teenage Mutant Ninja turtles Movie - was sung by M. C. Hammer. those lyrics were one of the first few emails I sent to ladybee777SPLAThotmail.com.
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Macavity wrote:
1) If you're launching a covert preemptive strike on an enemy, you'd want to use something inconspicuous. A pleasure yacht in Covenant space would be extremely conspicuous, whereas a rogue asteroid or comet wouldn't.

2) That "T-U-R-T-L-E Power" thing (along with "need help right quick, on the double") came from the lyrics to 'Turtle Power', which - at least for the Teenage Mutant Ninja turtles Movie - was sung by M. C. Hammer. those lyrics were one of the first few emails I sent to ladybee777SPLAThotmail.com.


In response, in all friendliness:

(1) We have textual evidence from pre-phase 1, that the cover story for Melissa's ship was that they were a pleasure yacht.

(2) T-U-R-T-L-E Power was sung by Partners in Kryme, and I know where the lyrics came from... I'm simply saying what if the Princess was giving us a hint that manhole covers or sewer lines were important to a puzzle... Anyway, that part is spec anyway, but I just wanted to let you know.
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VPISTEVE, I believe you have been vindicated by the new update! With specific times added to these points, I can only assume (ok, not only but still...) that there's going to be SOMETHING happening at these points at a certain time! Congrats, sir...
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