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[Can-ned Food]

[SPEC] The Queen & The Princess, their purpose, Flea

[ScarpeGrosse]

ahhh. nothing like a good "Do you like me? Check Yes. Check No." poll to validate your own spec.

Here's another one:
Did this really need a poll?

[ ] yes
[ ] no

[Can-ned Food]

[clamatius]

Did this really need a poll?

[ ] yes
[X] no

Ok, ok, I'm sorry, you tempted me! I won't do it again. Often.

Back to business.

[ScarpeGrosse]

[Can-ned Food]

[Dorkmaster]

SG - In response to YOUR poll, I say no. Although I do think that Can-ned has found his way, and learned to post nice. (And if not, he knows you have warned him he will die, so really six and one half dozen, the other... right?)

[Necroscope]

Melissa and the sleeping princess

[Kagehi Kossori]

Yikes.. I don't think so, it is quite obvious that the Queen has been completely corrupted and is happilly listening to the Flea wispering in her ear. There is no evidence that the Princess has been corrupted at all or that the Flea even knows she is there, which since the Flea appears to be the worm/virus doing the rewrite, beg the question of why it would want to wake up the Queen and turn her into its puppet if it already had on sitting nearby in a box. It 'should' have let the SPDR do its job and render the Queen totally non-functional, which the Queen herself seems to imply was the 'true' original purpose of the SPDR system, though she implies (having had her 'mission' changed to 'reveal') that its deletions where due to a lack of proper understanding of its purpose. This is, as per someones split personality type spec, perfectly logical with the Queen now believing that the true mission is the reveal information, not protect it.

Oh, and assuming that the AI was Cortana, Cortana herself at some point locked away and shut off large parts of her normal functions. To more effectively deal with problems she shunted all non-essential part of herself into storage, this includes things like ethical systems, it also likely involved much of her emotional frame work, poetic ability and anything else that was not purely essential and had begun to 'interfer' with the mission. These parts would also be secondary as far as a Cole Protocol system would consider. Who cares if the AI can pain a picture or write poetry that symbolically reveals critical information? Without proper language, context, culture, etc, it would be totally useless. More critical information is in the 'logical' part of the AI mind. With the Princess code being 'apparently' inactive, a process originally intended to delete things would ignore such data until all the more critical parts had been wiped out.

Of course, the only flaw in that spec is why SPDR would need to rebuild an AI to destroy it, or even how it got in the AI, since it seems extremely improbably that AIs carrying critical information would repair themselves, when their nature would instead demand that a damaged AI simply self destructed and erased everything. But, if somehow Malissa is a name confused version of Cortana, then there is code she had to copy and likely repair AIs. A Covenant trojan or the like would have no problem intefacing with that and directing it to start repairs, it also wouldn't need, let alone want, the AI to remember its true name or purpose.

Fact is, we really don't know yet what the Princess really is, but it is virtually impossible to argue that the Queen and the Flea are on our side, even if the Queen may have started out on the right side.

[Necroscope]

[Kagehi Kossori]

Well, that is all well and good, but the Queen has lost everything but her name and here general logic. Think in terms of someone with a severe case of amnesia, but in this case, the memories are literally no longer there to be recovered. The Flea doesn't need to 'finish' corrupting her it won the moment she killed SPDR and declared that her new purpose was to reveal her secrets. Check and mate. It should also be noted that logically 'we' as the players exist in a universe 'in the game' in which we are not supposed to have the slightest clue about Halo, ONI, the Covenant or anything else that we could use to convince her. How precisely do you suggest under those conditions we go about convincing her that humans are the good guys, while the Flea is still sitting in there ready to tell her directly that we are the enemy?

I don't think we can really count the Queen as friendly any more, unless you have an unbelievable and boarderline miraculous method to either seperate them or convince her. I don't see anything we have in our own hands that we could use to pull it off.

[quin1116]

Why bee's?

[Astald]

This is just my opinion, but on the whole Myth of the Comatas thing, it kind of seemed like we were the bees. The Sleeping Princess described herself as being trapped in an airtight container, and we fed her by sending her e-mails of stories. I know she never said she got out of that container, but it does seem like she is better now because of our help.

[Genesis11]

ya know, who cares?

Let's have one more poll:


yes [ ]

-OR-

yes [ ]

(Don't think too hard, your brain might implode)