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[QUESTION] Server Location?
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Clipped_Wings
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 		[QUESTION] Server Location?
http://home.comcast.net/~hoowells/newcoords.gif

Could somebody put the three possible server locations on that please, I'm going to do my roads theory on it, but I don't know where the servers are on that map and I dont know where the map is from.

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Samari
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 		In game the server is at Aunt M's house. all this talk about Rackspace is OOG and should be ignored when solving puzzles

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Clipped_Wings
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 		Where is that on the map, could you mark it on please?

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 		Good server farms are supposed to be in unmarked buildings in undisclosed locations for security. Drop it, please.

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 		from what I gather Aunt M lives in San Fransisco

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Extrasonic
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 		Where?
Samari - where did you read that "in game" the server is at Aunt M's house? Please provide links for your references.

If, as I suspect, you don't have any references, then why are you so biased against this line of inquiry? We got Dana's phone number from whois queries, and the voicemail there has yielded real, in-game clues. Why would other technical investigation techniques be less valid?

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Clipped_Wings
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catherwood wrote:
Good server farms are supposed to be in unmarked buildings in undisclosed locations for security. Drop it, please.


Then for the sake of maintaining my line of inquiry I shall HAVE to assume that the server is at Aunt M's house/business.

Anybody got any ideas of how I could plot the location of that on the map?

I dont know what tool was used to make it and the map has no markings on it specific enough for me to do it by eye.

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 		Re: Where?
Extrasonic wrote:
Samari - where did you read that "in game" the server is at Aunt M's house? Please provide links for your references.

You want references? Okay. Dana basically told us that the physical server is at Aunt Margaret's house:

Mescad wrote:
I've been reading about your problems with Aunt M's site. Have you checked the physical server yet? Maybe someone is messing with the hardware. I dunno, but it's worth a look. Smile

Dana wrote:
the hardware tip is a good one. I'm heading out to Aunt M's on Monday, probably, perhaps I'll give it one last check before China.

Here are a few more "in game" reasons why I think Samari is probably right, if you think Dana's e-mail is not sufficiently persuasive:

    * In her blog comments, Dana mentions that she was able to check to see whether "other projects I've worked on and other sites on the server" were infected, which strongly suggests that she has access to the entire server, not just a portion of it.
    * Melissa was able to take pictures of Dana working on the ILB site through her webcam, which showed up the Tuesday immediately after the Monday that Dana supposedly went to Aunt M's. (As far as we know, Dana never went to Texas.)
    * If ILB were on the same server as lots and lots and lots of other sites, why would Melissa be limited to the ILB sites (and that webcam), instead of occupying all of the space she could on the server?

Can we fight about something else now, please? Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:22 pm
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Extrasonic
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 		Re: Where?
Shad0 wrote:

You want references? Okay. Dana basically told us that the physical server is at Aunt Margaret's house:

Mescad wrote:
I've been reading about your problems with Aunt M's site. Have you checked the physical server yet? Maybe someone is messing with the hardware. I dunno, but it's worth a look. Smile

Dana wrote:
the hardware tip is a good one. I'm heading out to Aunt M's on Monday, probably, perhaps I'll give it one last check before China.



This could mean anything - the e-mail you're quoting is from a Saturday, and since she was going to be at Aunt Margaret's working on this on Monday, she'd check it out when she could call a support person. Who knows? Inconclusive.

Shad0 wrote:

Here are a few more "in game" reasons why I think Samari is probably right, if you think Dana's e-mail is not sufficiently persuasive:

    * In her blog comments, Dana mentions that she was able to check to see whether "other projects I've worked on and other sites on the server" were infected, which strongly suggests that she has access to the entire server, not just a portion of it.


I disagree with your assessment of what this implies. I think that this implies nothing more than that she has the ability to check other sites on the server. This could mean asking her provider, or it could mean that she's rented an entire server for her various clients. Inconclusive.

Shad0 wrote:

* Melissa was able to take pictures of Dana working on the ILB site through her webcam, which showed up the Tuesday immediately after the Monday that Dana supposedly went to Aunt M's. (As far as we know, Dana never went to Texas.)


We have no evidence that the webcam pictures were taken at Aunt Margaret's, we have no evidence that Dana was working on ILB when the pictures were taken, and no evidence that the webcam is physically attatched to the server instead of a desktop PC that Dana could have been using for anything at the time the pictures were taken. Inconclusive.

Also, if you had actually read my post before trying to get it merged with this thread and locked, you'd know that the ilovebees.com server is in Washington, D.C., not Texas (if that's why you're implying that we'd need a Dana/Texas connection).

Shad0 wrote:

* If ILB were on the same server as lots and lots and lots of other sites, why would Melissa be limited to the ILB sites (and that webcam), instead of occupying all of the space she could on the server?
Can we fight about something else now, please? Mr. Green


We have no idea why ilovebees was chosen/targetted/the victim of bad luck. We don't know if The Operator is there by pure coincidence, or if it was chosen by The Operator or the SPDR or anything else. There's not enough info to answer this question. Inconclusive.

What is conclusive is that there are more coordinates in the coordinate puzzle on links.html in the metro-D.C. area than anywhere else. What is conclusive is that by performing a Whois lookup on the ilovebees.com domain name, we found Dana's phone number and her outgoing voicemail has been another in-game vehicle for communications from Dana to the players. If a Whois query isn't "too meta/out-of-game", then why is there such eagerness to dismiss a traceroute that confirms the physical location of ilovebees.com in metro-D.C., which requires only slightly more technical acumen/effort?

I'm not trying to fight or be argumentative, but it seems a bit elitist for people in this forum to say "I know what's too meta/out-of-game and you don't" when the evidence is not in their favor.

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 		email from Dana about server location

While not coming out and saying it, you can assume the server is at Aunt M's. However, I think the gist of the email is more like the "stop hacking hotmail etc" notices... the physical location of the server is unimportant.

Feel free to interpret yourselves.
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Speaker wrote:
email from Dana about server location

While not coming out and saying it, you can assume the server is at Aunt M's. However, I think the gist of the email is more like the "stop hacking hotmail etc" notices... the physical location of the server is unimportant.

Feel free to interpret yourselves.

That looks pretty much like the PM's telling us we should not pay any more attention to it, because it apparently is irrelevant...
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quin1116
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 		I agree.
I think Aunt M lives in Napa, Ca. Which makes sense considering she taught in Vacaville, Ca which is not far from there. Not that it matters any more given the Dana's e-mail.

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 		Re: Where?
Hey, whoa, take it easy, before your ears get all green and pointy. Very Happy

Extrasonic wrote:
Shad0 wrote:

You want references? Okay. Dana basically told us that the physical server is at Aunt Margaret's house:

Mescad wrote:
I've been reading about your problems with Aunt M's site. Have you checked the physical server yet? Maybe someone is messing with the hardware. I dunno, but it's worth a look. Smile

Dana wrote:
the hardware tip is a good one. I'm heading out to Aunt M's on Monday, probably, perhaps I'll give it one last check before China.

This could mean anything - the e-mail you're quoting is from a Saturday, and since she was going to be at Aunt Margaret's working on this on Monday, she'd check it out when she could call a support person. Who knows? Inconclusive.

I respectfully disagree, for two reasons. First, in her blog, Dana was clear that her trip to China was Aunt Margaret's reward for "7 years of indentured tech support." Dana is the support person for ILB. (Besides, if she were going to call a support person somewhere else, she could have done it from anywhere, at any time, and would not have necessarily needed to be at her aunt's place.)

Second, when normal people put two ideas in the same sentence -- even if it is technically a run-on sentence Mr. Green -- it usually means they consider and intend the ideas to be related to each other. Dana said she was going to her aunt's on Monday, and would check out the hardware then. Now, it is certainly theoretically possible to include two completely unrelated ideas in the same sentence in this way. I might say, "It's raining in Seattle, I got soaking wet," when what I really mean is that, while it is raining in Seattle, I just tripped and fell into my indoor swimming pool in Nebraska. Nevertheless, it would be more common for me to mean -- and for anyone listening to me to infer -- that I was both in Seattle and outdoors. Similarly, when Dana says she is going to her aunt's on Monday, and will check out the hardware then, it is reasonable to assume that her aunt's is where the hardware is. Otherwise, why would she have bothered mentioning it at all, let alone in the same sentence?

Extrasonic wrote:
Shad0 wrote:
* Melissa was able to take pictures of Dana working on the ILB site through her webcam, which showed up the Tuesday immediately after the Monday that Dana supposedly went to Aunt M's. (As far as we know, Dana never went to Texas.)

We have no evidence that the webcam pictures were taken at Aunt Margaret's, we have no evidence that Dana was working on ILB when the pictures were taken, and no evidence that the webcam is physically attatched to the server instead of a desktop PC that Dana could have been using for anything at the time the pictures were taken. Inconclusive.

Not true, Extrasonic. We have discussed plenty of evidence that Dana was working on her aunt's web site, at her aunt's place, on that Monday evening; you just don't agree with it. Disagreeing with an interpretation of the evidence is a far cry from there being "no evidence." Frankly, I think one of the strongest pieces of evidence that Dana was working on ILB when Melissa took her pictures comes from Melissa herself:

Melissa wrote:
Whoa. Not CP ancestor packets. This is something different. Quick quick quick quick - parse this protocol and find some kind of eyeball out. Sister you just made a mistake because this is my *meat* this is what I do and you are - GOT IT. I'm not asleep this time, sweetheart. Holding the eyeball gently but firmly in your right hand, say the magic words and:

SURPRISE! Look up and smile, honey. Bang! Bang! Bang!

Got the drop on you that time, sweetheart.

Opening shot of my search and destroy.

Dana got Melissa's attention because she was working on the ILB site that evening. Melissa couldn't have found Dana any other way, because Melissa was, at the time, trapped in that box, unable to access any other system except through "a hideous stubby tentacle which sometimes I can stick out through a tiny hole in the wall and grope around with."

Extrasonic wrote:
Also, if you had actually read my post before trying to get it merged with this thread and locked, you'd know that the ilovebees.com server is in Washington, D.C., not Texas (if that's why you're implying that we'd need a Dana/Texas connection).

As far as we know, Dana never went to D.C., either.

Extrasonic wrote:
I'm not trying to fight or be argumentative, but it seems a bit elitist for people in this forum to say "I know what's too meta/out-of-game and you don't" when the evidence is not in their favor.

I hope I have extended you the same courtesy. (For example, I went through my post and eliminated all references to animal excrement. All hail the 'Preview' button! Mr. Green ) I never intend to be dogmatic, hence my heavy use of phrases like "I think" and "I believe" and "It appears" and "It seems" and other waffle-words of which any politican would be proud. You do, however, remind me just a little of a certain poster who insisted that we had not seen "conclusive" evidence that this ARG was set in the Halo universe. Sure, anything's possible...but I prefer to focus more one what seems, to me, to be most likely based on the evidence we have so far.

(One final thought: I do not believe that putting phrases like "no evidence" and "inconclusive" in bold letters increases either their accuracy or their credibility. Just my opinion.)
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Just to bring this up, wouldn't there be a difference between software and hardware tech support? I would think that there is a remote chance that you could work on any server from anywhere, with the right access. I never heard Dana or anyone else mention whether or not she fixed hardware issues or software issues, my bet is on software. So everyone could be a little right, the box is in washington, the computer that has the right software and access to this server is in California. Or who knows, but I tend to agree that the amount of Co_ords is DC is directly related to where the server is located, it just makes sense....

Sorry for butting in!! Confused

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 		I think the server location IS significant, and it can be found from the GPS co-ords.

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