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[bosshogg]

[SPEC] thoughts about ILB and space/time

[John Incognito]

Whoa.. Nice work there dude.. This one just feels right. It kind of fits with the Phase 3 Monologue Text where she talks about having stripped her self down to the fundamentals.


I hope your onto something there.

[Motoss]

That's probably the most well thought out spec I've read in this game so far. You really did your research, bosshog.

[sherpa]

The D'Alembert connection is fairly interesting - D'Alembert was a bit doo-lally if I remember rightly, but indeed the 'squares, triangles, dots, bars' thing could refer to mathematical operators, especially vector calculus (and what do vectors have? magnitude and direction... for example, the direction vector between two points!).

However I wouldn't put much faith in the time-dependent wave equation paper linked above; it's fairly tenuously related to the game (both have something to do with waves?!) and although the A, G, H is fairly neat I don't think it's particularly conclusive. With time and patience I could pull down a ton of papers with the word 'wave' in the title that have similar other coincidences. Fortunately, I have neither time nor patience (..so why am I doing this ILB thing? ).

One thing, though; what I've noticed, and not seen explained properly, is the odd phrasing of 'Axons Go Hot'. Why not just 'Axons Fire'? From that angle, the A, G, H link is more justified, but it doesn't feel right to me; I think there may be something else in it, but I'm damned if I know what.

(Disclaimer: I'm a sceptical mathematician by training )

[gohoos]

read the article from the first link. I'm still trying to get through it, but that interview uses bees and spiders in a lot of his/her examples and descriptions. About the spider with a web of connections all over, and the like.

Might be worth checking out.

[Astald]

Of all of the theories I've seen so far for this, this one seems the best to me. If you need any help from anyone here to continue with this angle, I would be perfectly willing to help, as I'm sure are many others. The one thing I don't understand is why you would use Aug. 8th as the date, why not use the 24th, that is when the axons go hot. I just might not be understanding this very well, math is definitely one of my weak points(one of many unfortunately). But there are alot of things that match up with this, and I wouldn't put it past the PMs to use something this advanced to solve one of their puzzles.

[chaotic_mind]

A google search didn't yield anything on a "D'Alemberts Space Time Operator", or a "D'Alemberts Space-Time Operator", or a "D'Alemberts Spacetime Operator". Still I was able to find something on a d'Alembertian operator, which has the square as a symbol. Still, I'm not quite sure that's what you meant.

The D'Alembertian operator has to do with the formulation of a wave equation for non-sinusoidal waves. I can see how it applies here, with 220 waves, but we just don't have enough information to start filling stuff out.

I have to say that this, while intriguing, just doesn't seem in game for me yet. If the PMs are going for a pretty technical mathematical puzzle, why this particular method to solve? If it's a wave equation problem, we need more information to solve it.

I just don't think we have enough in-game evidence to support this.

But, I may be wrong. The D'Alembertian was something new for me, and I don't completely understand it. I am sure there are those with a better understanding of math somewhere in this forum. Come forward, and show what a louzy fraud I am!

Luke P.

[ilovecheese]

he is definitely has an impressive one-sheet

d'Alembert published "d'Alembert's principle " in Traité de Dynamique (1743), which was a powerful new interpretation of Newton's third law. He also studied physical astronomy, in which he solved the precession of the equinoxes, and was the first to find and solve the wave equation. His solution is now known as d'Alembert's solution in his honor.

d'Alembert believed that logarithms satisfied , but Euler wrote him explaining that . He tried unsuccessfully to prove the fundamental theorem of algebra (still known in France as d'Alembert's theorem). He discovered the Cauchy-Riemann equations in 1752 (decades prior to Cauchy or Riemann). He also advocated the use of a limiting procedure in calculus.

With Diderot, he composed the monumental 28 volume encyclopedia Dictionaire raisonné des sciences, des arts et des métiers, of which d'Alembert wrote most of the mathematical and scientific articles.

[Lex Vella]

I would like to point everyone to a good paper which has mention of Bees, ,Spiders, and nearly everything mentioned in the above theory

http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/darwin/sect1.htm

Very good job. I've been silently reading all of the Spec here, on the ILB blog, and on the wiki. But no one has gotten so many of the facts together so well.

[bosshogg]

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[midas777]

Now that we have the times, has anyone looked into the theory that started this post? Might be worth a look?