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[SPEC/META] New take on the Axon Puzzle (like we need one)
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[SPEC/META] New take on the Axon Puzzle (like we need one)

Ok, it's assumed (and we know where assumptions get us Wink ) that this is all being run by the people who brought us The Beast TM , right?

So, (and follow me here,) what if this puzzle is not yet defined? Or wasn't at the time it was started? Since the Hive learned so much about the ARG playing community and its tendency towards more creative storylines (fifty-three flavors of spec anyone?) that they decided to put an open-ended puzzle out there. Since most of us are tending to see a physical interaction at these points, that's what will happen.

Now, as a caveat, do I really believe this theory? Well, to be honest, I'd lean more one way or the other if I had actually been a part of The Beast... so I really don't know how much water this spec holds... but if I were a PM...

*borrows Clamatius' PM fuzzy cap, puts said cap on*

I would definitely have at least one open-ended puzzle as both a test of the writers behind my project, and also as a tip of the cap to my players. (They didn't originate a puzzle as open-ended in The Beast, but they did jump on board with player-led storymaking at one point, right? Any by their own words, it was one of the most exciting and interesting parts of the entire game!) So why not "work that in" the model for this game?

*takes PM hat off, dusts it off, hands it back to Clamatius, with a grateful smile*

Anyway, I just wanted to see what kind of legs this theory had. If it has none, we'll see it float its way to the bottom of the threads...
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so, are you thinking that they posted these coords just to see what we'd do with them and then they'd do their best to make whatever the general consensus becomes happen?

if so, i bet they are now saying to themselves, "holy crap! how are we going station people at each of these locations?!"

if so, i bet friday's update will see a very reduced list of coords. Wink
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subatomicsatan wrote:
so, are you thinking that they posted these coords just to see what we'd do with them and then they'd do their best to make whatever the general consensus becomes happen?

That's my basic theory, yeah... And like I said, I give this theory only a 5 outta ten, but I just thought it merited discussion...

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if so, i bet they are now saying to themselves, "holy crap! how are we going station people at each of these locations?!"
Although, I still think this could be done through telephones (could explain the re-organization of points)... But you're right, and once more another reason I am not feeling this to be the number one theory at the moment...

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if so, i bet friday's update will see a very reduced list of coords. Wink
We shall see... I personally think we're just going to get some sort of clue that will support or break down certain specs through Dana's blog, or direct from the Princess... (although it would be a VERY cool plot point to have the SP "taken hostage" by the Queen after she's discovered sending messages to us by the flea, and that our next message came from the Queen, through the ladybee777 account (like she took that control away from the SP)... (How about THAT for spec? Laughing )
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Dorkmaster wrote:

We shall see... I personally think we're just going to get some sort of clue that will support or break down certain specs through Dana's blog, or direct from the Princess... (although it would be a VERY cool plot point to have the SP "taken hostage" by the Queen after she's discovered sending messages to us by the flea, and that our next message came from the Queen, through the ladybee777 account (like she took that control away from the SP)... (How about THAT for spec? Laughing )


hahah! that'd be great! Smile

some part of my mind keeps telling me that there is a pattern here...let's see...we have an increase in "resolution" going on in two axes:

- precision of the coords
- reduction/pruning of the coords

it's like we're focusing a camera or zooming in...it's still blurry, but maybe some structure is emerging?

something substantial has to happen on the 24th...and i doubt very much that it'll be halo merchandise. i mean, this whole game is geared for us--not for the halo-only people (in fact, in some halo discussion groups the subject of ILB is verboten), so bringing halo merchandise into this would anger the halo-only fans and disappoint the ARGgers.

so, what could it be? this is my first ARG, so i don't know the distinction between pre-game and game as i view everything up 'til now as a fun game! so, i guess the distinction would be that it becomes "real" in that there are personal interactions; it now requires more than a computer and internet connection to get and solve puzzles/reveal more of the storyline.

so, if that is the case, something physical needs to happen. something WIDE AWAKE AND PHYSICAL. Wink

wouldn't it be cool if a courier showed up at each location with a box of CD-ROMs saying something along the lines of "we just recieved an online order to burn these CDs and deliver them here." then the lucky folks who live near one of the final coords would get their CD-ROMs back home and be able to upload the data to the rest of us...and i'm sure there'd be all sorts of new information...perhaps some AI code hidden in there as well? wouldn't that be something (a physical metastasisation)? hehehhe--i'm going off the deep-end here, i know. Wink

i've gone way OT here, so i'll stop for now.
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Re: [SPEC/META] New take on the Axon Puzzle (like we need on

Dorkmaster wrote:
So, (and follow me here,) what if this puzzle is not yet defined? Or wasn't at the time it was started?


Given what the puzzle has been like so far.. I'd agree with that spec, but it seems as if the puzzle still doesn't have much of a body, and it's surprising that it would be so un-formed this close to the 24th. Would that mean the "thing" that happens on the 24th either hasn't happened yet, or is unrelated to how we tackle this puzzle -- or the PMs are hastily bribing people to turn up at the locations? Wink Still, it's amusing to think they may have got an intern to throw together some random locations, in order to see what we make of it. We're all cochons d'Inde!

Side-track: This puzzle has a weird feel for me. Most puzzles I've done, even if you don't know what to do immediately, you feel around the edges and you gradually make a solid outline (like those games where you have to feel in a box for something), then you hit on the right idea. This doesn't even seem to have those solid edges between truth and speculation. Anyway, enough of the metaphors Smile
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Well [subatomicsatan], (1) you have gone off topic, but this was intended to be a spring for "other generic reasonings" for the axon puzzle anyway, so I think it's cool.

(2) The only pertinent part that's been discussed in other forums (that I am too lazy to find) that may discount your (cool) CD-ROM theory is that it would have no basis in-game. Now the arguments have been made that a puzzle doesn't have to have a motivation in-game other than to lead to further in-game information... HOWEVER, in this case, since so much has been made of the fact that "SPDR dug these roads" "Queen ordered for these roads to be made" and that "Princess laughed at the throttling of SPDR for his mistakes on said roads" (Ok so quotes may not have been appropriate, but you get the point... Wink ) So there's gotta be some in-game motivation, otherwise this is one of those parts where you've REALLY gotta suspend belief.

So in reply, I don't know... I think it would be so awesome to have a courier part involved (like the end of the film Se7en, but without the gory aspect), but I just don't see it justified in the story... But I could be completely wrong too! I just think that they really could do whatever they want and then justify after the fact, with VERY good writers. That's what this spec is about, trying to see what they could do with OUR spec! How cool would it be?

edit for clarification as to whom I was speaking with
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Dorkmaster wrote:
(2) The only pertinent part that's been discussed in other forums (that I am too lazy to find) that may discount your (cool) CD-ROM theory is that it would have no basis in-game.


as for being in-game, what i was thinking was that ladybee777 emailed businesses that burn CD-ROMs with an attachment of the data to be burned along with payment and delivery information.

the GPS coords which as you reminded me were created by the SPDR for the Queen does tend to throw a (rather large) wrench into the works of my idea unless the SP coopted the use of the roads...and...uh...idea falling to pieces around me... Confused hehehehe

so, the Queen sends herself to found new colonies?

uh, yeah...i think i'll just keep quiet until next tuesday. Wink
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Aelith and MusicToEat both had, what in my opinion, are the best theories to date. You can find them here, but here's the gist:

MusicToEat wrote:
Aelith wrote:
It's 12:55am and I get out of bed because I've had a brainstorm, ok?

The problem with the scouting already done is people had the whole 360 degrees of unfocus senery to view. Also we seen to have droped the pairs setup in current calculations.

What would happen if you used the direction of the next spot as and indication of where to focus your attention. First person in DC looks ENE towards Cleveland. Cleveland looks towards DC.

Every body find a compus!



Or maybe the times given are supposed to be the direction you face. If north is 12 o'clock then 6:07 would be slightly west of south.


This is kind of off topic, but I wanted to mirror these thoughts because they are INGENIOUS! I, of course, don't know them to be true or not, but you have to admit that it's one of the most original, puzzle-like, and likely rationales yet, right?
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Nice idea, but that doesn't explain the PST/PDT thing. (The looking in the direction of the times thing.... the direction still might be associated with the pairs between cities.)

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Or perhaps the PST/PDT is just to make sure we know whether it's Queen time or local time?

It seems a bit far-fetched, though... the four/three minute intervals are a bit rigid for that sort of work, ya?
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GWing_02 wrote:
Or perhaps the PST/PDT is just to make sure we know whether it's Queen time or local time?


Or that it's time at all. Still, it would take some pretty hefty design to make the times and locations match up sensibly, and still mean something -- and some pretty hefty maths to work it out. Still - "we have the technology", who wants to try drawing pretty lines at pretty angles? (I'm off on holiday Real Soon Now - curses!). Smile

Also, looking at thebruce's co-ord plotter it looks like there's almost a pattern in there, drawing something, but I can't make it out. That doesn't fit with the precision of the co-ords, either.
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[Wild Spec] Something else to consider

I'm not sure if this is the right place for this tidbit of information, or whether it's even relevant or just coincedental. And I cannot believe that I am the only one to pick up on it, but I can't seem to find any other posts in the forums that mention it. But I picked this up from http://www.xbox.com/en-us/halo/storyline.htm ...:

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2390: INNER COLONIES
By 2390, the colonization of the Inner Colonies was fully underway. There were 210 human-occupied worlds in various stages of terraforming, and the population burden across human-controlled space was largely stabilized.


210 coordinate points, 210 human colonies?

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I like it, but there's really no in-game link yet... I'd say hold onto that, and we'll see with the update tomorrow (and if there's not an update tomorrow, then... well... We'll find out on Tuesday, I suppose...)

But there's just not much we can do with that right now... But if that's the case, great detective work!
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I hope I do this right.. This particular forum seems to be looking for new angles anyway..

How many of the previous coordinates changed (and I mean the most recent)

For example Austin, Texas changed.. I found it interesting (going way out on a limb here) that the previous address intersection was Maine and Colony North (relation to story?) has now mysteriously changed to an address near our Texas Capitol... I will be checking out the site (the new one) but I am starting to wonder, if some of these locations are pointing to bees or spiders, etc, if that fits somehow. I did see some evidence of some of the locations other people went to having some sort of bee connection. Just a thought... we ought to keep an eye on the coord's that were changed... like I said... totally (SPEC)
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