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[SPEC] We are definitely still in Pre-Game
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KiLLyourTV
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 		I too have a definite feeling this is pre-game. I think the game will pick up full force come August 24th, and all the ARGers will get a full dose of bee action. I believe the game will last AT LEAST until November 9th (if it is indeed related to Halo 2) and possibly longer if it isn't directly related. I will be keeping an eye on the site/forums until the game is finished or determined not to be a game at all, that I know for sure Mr. Green
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 		Incorrect Assumption
I see a couple of flawed assumptions. This is an ARG, not a "Bungie Puzzle" and the proof is strong, a Honey jar with the scrambled message was sent to the ARG community.

It seems we are playing/experiencing an ARG based on the Halo world. Treating all these events as advertisement would kill the fun of playing the ARG. We should go with the flow and behave as if things are real. Here is a brief tutorial for ARG's. Take notice of commandment #8.

Assuming Bungie is directly behind all this could be wrong, I bet they don't even have have time to breathe with the release date coming soon.

Now, what do you plan to do on 8/24/04? Wink



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 		Assumption: this is an ARG.

I agree.

How many ARGs have you played that only infest/inhabit ONE web site?

None.

Call it Pre-Game, call it early game, call it whatever you want, but I have a feeling this is going to get a LOT bigger, and next Tuesday looks like just as good a day as any for that to happen.

Yay. Very Happy
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Back when that POV was still being aired, there was very little evidence to suggest that ILB was in fact Halo-related.


Little evidence to the ARGer, yes. But a black box and white text was the first sign to a Bungie Puzzler.

I would have trusted the "This is an ARG" opinion, but the previous identical assumptions - "This isn't a Halo ARG" or "Pathways Into Darkness is unimportant" or "Insert 5 paragraphs worth of incorrect Marathon information on the wiki" kinda made me jaded.

(Aside: I'm using "Bungie Puzzle" as a as a complimentary term to ARG.)

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but to claim that ILB is merely the Cortana Letters Redux, and thus will fit some sort of existing paradigm, is self-limiting at best.


Its not a redux. Its an evolution of the Letters. But no amount of evolution can change what it is, at the core.

We find information. We analyse it until we get more information. We find how it connects to the Halo/H2 and Marathon stories.

ILB will exist after the 24th. But by the time a gamer can defend Earth against the Covenant's invasion, don't expect ILB to be as important to TPTB than it is now.

So, its like August... and 2 comes out November... thats 3 months or so. Let's have fun until then, doing what we're supposed to be doing - analysing and waiting for the next update. Nobody solved a Bungie Puzzle by expecting interaction.
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Scumbag wrote:
Nobody solved a Bungie Puzzle by expecting interaction.

I'm curious, has today's 404 page update changed your opinions on interaction any?
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SpaceBass wrote:
Scumbag wrote:
Nobody solved a Bungie Puzzle by expecting interaction.

I'm curious, has today's 404 page update changed your opinions on interaction any?


Not really. Cortana talked to the 'players' in her Letters too.
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 		I've gone on record before, and will go on record again, to say that IT'S BOTH AN ARG AND A BUNGIE PUZZLE in my opinion. They're not mutually exclusive; there's no Pauli Principle involved here.

This thing is big enough to fit both. And more.

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-- Steve is wondering how many will get the Pauli reference without the linkies.

*raises hand* I knew that physics degree would come in handy one day Razz

IMHO, there may or may not be any Bungie people involved directly. I suspect the bulk of the team is at MS, if not the whole of the team.
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Scumbag wrote:

Not really. Cortana talked to the 'players' in her Letters too.


So there's "no interaction", yet the sleeping princess is "talking to the 'players'"??

That doesn't really seem to mesh, if you ask me

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Scumbag wrote:
Remember when some ARG people thought ILB had nothing to do with Halo?


Many of us ARG people were just pointing out that it may or may not have anything to do with Halo. There were tons of Halo fans exclaiming that it had to be Halo related and everyone who thought differently was wrong/stupid/ignorant! The reason why ARGs work so well as a community effort is that everyone has something different to bring to the table. Everyone has different thoughts, experiences, ideas, etc.

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I would have trusted the "This is an ARG" opinion, but the previous identical assumptions - "This isn't a Halo ARG" or "Pathways Into Darkness is unimportant" or "Insert 5 paragraphs worth of incorrect Marathon information on the wiki" kinda made me jaded.


An ARG is a game where we're thrown into an alternate reality. There are no super strict rules that make something an ARG or not an ARG. There's no reason why this can't be an ARG and Bungie puzzle. The PMs obviously wanted the ARG community and the Halo community to be involved. That's why they sent the honey and put the url in the Halo trailer. Why can't we just play the game and not argue about what it is/isn't?

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 		I think it's a Floor Wax AND a Dessert Topping.
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vpisteve wrote:
I think it's a Floor Wax AND a Dessert Topping.


And I was going to use the Blind Men and the Elephant parable instead.

Note to self; use... humour... instead... of... parables. Got it.

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vpisteve wrote:
I think it's a Floor Wax AND a Dessert Topping.


Oh, I'll have to disagree with you on the Floor Wax. I know all about Floor Wax and this is nothing like it! How could you be more wrong vpisteve? I mean, really, I just don't see any support for a statement like this. If anything this is much more like Mop n Glo. Raspberry
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So there's "no interaction", yet the sleeping princess is "talking to the 'players'"??


Talking and interacting are two different things. Like many people have said so far, we've not done anything to the 'plot'. We're given information and we decode it as much as we can, and try and figure it out.

See, I don't think I'm making myself clear, which I'm sorry for. I'm sure I'm sounding like an anti-ARG guy.

I just don't understand this "this isn't the game yet" stuff. This is the game. The 'game' consists of us getting something to figure out. We get, we analyse, we get more.

ILB might have an 'end', or we'll just get a 404 the day H2 is released. Either way, it served its purpose, like the Letters before it.

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Many of us ARG people were just pointing out that it may or may not have anything to do with Halo. There were tons of Halo fans exclaiming that it had to be Halo related and everyone who thought differently was wrong/stupid/ignorant!


Exactly my point. Halo fans wouldn't be saying that if they didn't know it. And how do they know it? Because we've seen it before. The form has changed - a website instead of emails - but what we're examining is old hat to us.

Sure, in some ways its a semantical argument, one I don't think I'm going to keep going since its pretty pointless. Just remember which 'alternate universe' ILB is important for - the one we'll be experiencing in November.
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I just don't understand this "this isn't the game yet" stuff. This is the game. The 'game' consists of us getting something to figure out.

What people mean is that the size of the game is probably going to increase a lot. The past few weeks have just been a lead-up to a much broader game set: more websites, more text, a lot more puzzles.

Sadly, I think that these people might be wrong. The PMs of ILoveBees appear to be the same as the PMs of Evan Chan - but ILoveBees is not Evan Chan. Just because the previous game had a much larger scope doesn't mean that ILB has to ramp up to match it. It could very well be that ILB is a game of the same style, but on a smaller scale. Don't get me wrong - I hope the pace picks up a lot next Tuesday - but I'm not expecting it.
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Halo fans wouldn't be saying that if they didn't know it. And how do they know it? Because we've seen it before. The form has changed - a website instead of emails - but what we're examining is old hat to us.

Sure, in some ways its a semantical argument, one I don't think I'm going to keep going since its pretty pointless. Just remember which 'alternate universe' ILB is important for - the one we'll be experiencing in November.

In fact, it may not be all that relevant. The A.I. ARG was set in the same general universe as the A.I. movie plot - but there was surprisingly little overlap. Some of the young characters in the film showed up as adults in the game, and the general theme of robot/human interaction continued (but with a much different tone.)

My point is that you might not learn a whole lot about the Halo 2 backstory from this game. It may well happen that way, but it doesn't have to, and you may be disappointed if you expect it.

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