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thebruce
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[SPEC] Princess's location

You know... I just realized... technically, where are the AI's right now? Everyone's treating the Sleeping Princess as being locked away in a container somewhere on the ship... well... there is no ship... Mellisa, the SP, The Flea, SPDR - they are all in our own era, trapped in on a server... so... what [b]is[/]b] the SP really trapped in? Somehow all of them must be occupying the same 'space', and yet, are they really individual entites at the same time? that's just wild spec... but I think we need to remember that their 'ship' no longer exists - they are in our time in an electronic network... it seems to me that anything recalled by any of the entities in our current timeline are entirely metaphorical... if the princess is trapped in a glass casket, perhaps she's as trapped as Melissa, in our systems. Yet, at the same time, Melissa is keeping her 'contained' in some way. This kind of makes me agree with another earlier spec that Melissa and the SP are, or were, the same AI, or different aspects of the same AI, or something along those lines...

separate the timelines...
in the future, Melissa was a ship AI, the SP was likely in the recovered cylinder, and something happened, shooting the AIs back to our time with a piggybacking Flea, and the standard SPDR process within Melissa... so they're all trapped in our systems, recalling metaphorically their past memories...

that's my spec... but one of many possibilities Smile just a thought
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Yeah, I've had the same problem conceptualizing where the SP is. I think that what the casket refers to is the encryption that the Widow runs into in that first story.

Saying that the SP comes from the alien device feels right, it really works, storywise and metaphorically, but is totally unbased in logic. It would explain the encryption, the inability to understand english at first, but real life casket =/= virtual casket. But I want it to!! ARgh.
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This is all I've gathered related to this. No spec here, just random factoids:

1. There are many references similar to a Halo cryopod in the Story, killer.jpg's and I believe the ladybee emails. These are all potentially written by SP.

2. There are NO direct mentions of a cryopod.

3. SP, until recently, loved to speak in metaphor. She seemed limited to finding other pieces of text, paraphrasing them and re-using them.

4. Melissa may have put SP in her "place" (wherever that is)

5. There's no evidence of anything physical making it to our time. This includes the Forerunner artifact likely to be the cause.

6. It's possible the Castaway came aboard via a cryopod and that either Melissa or SP found him.

7. SP can see spy on Flea, Melissa and SPDR. She seems to be able to hide from them quite successfully.

8. For being in a hushed casket where nobody can hear her, Princess sure talks a lot.


EDIT: Oh yeah. For some reason, Princess seems able to retrieve Melissa's memories.

EDIT EDIT: Double oh. We have references that AIs can be transmitted via slipstream (Flea's arrival).

Not sure if that helps at all Smile

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I still don't know if I go with this or not, buy with all this spec on the flea being the covie part of the equation, then we wouldn't expect the flea to really have anything to do with the cylinder they found, would we? So it would kind of make sense that the Princess was connected to this cylinder with the bars dots and triangles... It would make sense using the sealed chamber as a metaphor and such, and it would be why it was locked in chamber in the deepest darkest dungeons et al... right? Cuz they put it in a sub sub sub-basement, right? (I know I'm screwing up terms left and right, but you know what I mean Wink ) Anyway, I think this is the most "in-game" theory so far, even if it isn't true in the end... And it doesn't conflict with anything else yet... anyway, that's all spec, but I found it to be the most intriguing theory thus far. Good job, thebruce!
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I had first assumed Flea arrived on the artifact. One a re-read I decided that was inaccurate.

It seems more likely that Melissa was decoding Cov slipstream transmissions. The Cov realized this and embedded the Flea into one. Melissa decoded Flea and he infested her.

This is assumed from:

Quote:

What do you think, Melissa?

I might be compromised, I said to her.

I still want to know what you think. When could it have been introduced?

//

The Covenant transmission?

//

Maybe they suspect were monitoring them.


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My point (ok, well thebruce's) exactly... The flea would make no sense as the cylinder's contents! However, if the whole transmission thing was true, then maybe the flea is the Castaway? It got in, made Melissa a little odd (maybe even convincing her to holo to talk with it, necessary or not?) Anyway, that's a whole other spec. But I am really starting to believe the Princess is directly connected to the Cylinder and if so, why called the Princess (unless her intention is to usurp the throne at a later point?) Anyway, my $.02...
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Well Flea + artifact made sense when I thought Covies used the artifact as a trojan horse (literally) to get Flea on board. But then I read the quote I posted and realized they had a more valid method.

I'm 99.999% sure Castaway is human.

Quote:

"Humor me," the Castaway said, playing
music in his room, ancient music, Jazz and Swing,
all in the mood. "Melissa", he said, "Have a drink with me".
I don't drink, but I asked for something anyway and sat,
holographically, and drank with him. He wasn't
regular crew, just along for the ride.


And then we have a crew member probably referencing a discussion with him.

Castaway is frustrating. I think there's a swing that puts together a lot of his backstory.

He may have been picked up, in space, after Troy's destruction.
He was probably picked up before the artifact.
He may be an ONI spy. He was almost certainly doing counter-espionage against the Covies.
For some reason, Melissa remembers him well and he seems important.

But I can't think of a single reason as to -why-

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Yeah--If PMs are listening, I want more on the Castaway! Who the hell is he? What does he have to do with the crash? What the hell would a stealthy spyship being doing picking of a castaway anyway?

And why was he hitting on a computer?
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[HUMOR] Maybe he is our story's "Captain Kirk"/"Commander Riker". Those two would hit on any being in the female form. Laughing

Sorry, I could not resist after reading:
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And why was he hitting on a computer?

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I know that it's my biggest question... How did they all get here? Obviously, they crashed to earth... But how? Were they transmitted over some frequency and got picked up by somebody's dish antene or cel phone? Or did they come here contained in something that somehow ended up getting its wires crossed with whatever server has ilovebees on it? (I'm leaning twords the latter myself.)

Hasn't anybody asked Dana where the server is? Is it in her house, or her Aunt's place, do they pay for hosting?

If we can find out where the server is, we might be able to figure out how they all got in there.

And if we can find out how they got in there, then I think that would make a great many things more clear.
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HitsHerMark wrote:
I know that it's my biggest question... How did they all get here? Obviously, they crashed to earth... But how? Were they transmitted over some frequency and got picked up by somebody's dish antene or cel phone? Or did they come here contained in something that somehow ended up getting its wires crossed with whatever server has ilovebees on it? (I'm leaning twords the latter myself.)


We got nothing but spec here.

One theory (and it's sketchy at best) is:

1) Accident (we have little info about what really happened)
2) Slipstream Jump to Earth
3) Forerunner artifact messes with time/space
4) Princess, Flea, SPDR and the remains of Melissa are transmitted via slipstream. For some reason, ILB is chosen. My speculation is that this was SPDR's doing - possible confusion over Melissa's name, or the ship's name or something like that.

See, pretty sketchy. Even just writing that, I thought of the following questions (Haloverse warning ahead):

* Melissa clearly knows the location of Earth - so why would she use the Forerunner artifact to make a jump? The only thing I can think of is that she really needed to make a very precise jump - but I can't think of why.

* It's always been my answer to the "an AI can't exist on our networks" that SPDR essentially re-assembled her to work on them. But SPDR didn't re-assemble Princess ... so is she not on our networks?


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Hasn't anybody asked Dana where the server is? Is it in her house, or her Aunt's place, do they pay for hosting?


It's spec'd that since the site seems to be hosted by Rackspace and probably in Washington DC. Other specs is that the Rackspace server is in Texas or the server is in Dana's apartment.

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If we can find out where the server is, we might be able to figure out how they all got in there.

And if we can find out how they got in there, then I think that would make a great many things more clear.


It might help, true, but I think we're going to still be missing some IG fiction to really piece it together. It's one of the reasons I'm with the "pre-game" theorists ... nobody goes through this much work on a backstory to leave it half-written Wink

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GunsmithCat wrote:

It's spec'd that since the site seems to be hosted by Rackspace and probably in Washington DC. Other specs is that the Rackspace server is in Texas or the server is in Dana's apartment.



Well, IRL the site is hosted by rackspace, but is it there in terms of the game's reality? That's why I think it's important to ask Dana, to get that sorted out.

I'm leaning twords that it's in her home. There's that one part of the Op's monologue where she describes holding an "eyeball" in her hand, and then goes into the whole "bang bang bang" thing coupled with the first killer.jpg picture of Dana working on the website. This was when both Dana and the Widow were actively working on the Website/Malissa.

The eyeball is obviously the webcam, that much is obvious, and I don't think she would have been strong enough at that point to reach out from a server to her home network...

Or maybe I'm wrong. Very Happy


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HitsHerMark wrote:
GunsmithCat wrote:

It's spec'd that since the site seems to be hosted by Rackspace and probably in Washington DC. Other specs is that the Rackspace server is in Texas or the server is in Dana's apartment.



Well, IRL the site is hosted by rackspace, but is it there in terms of the game's reality? That's why I think it's important to ask Dana, to get that sorted out.


Well we havent been given much reason to think one way or another. Unfortunately, it's a bit hard to guess. While it would be a little odd for a small site like ILB to use a large hoster like Rackspace, it at least explains why the site hasn't crashed under the weight of the traffic.

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we have been told by dana a number of times, that she doesn't feel secure in giving out the location of the server, so it's either a)not going to be ingame at all, or b)we haven't gained dana's trust enough.

I'm leaning towards the first answer, because it seems some people that talk to her on a regular basis have asked and haven't gotten a peep.


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Raveneyes wrote:
we have been told by dana a number of times, that she doesn't feel secure in giving out the location of the server, so it's either a)not going to be ingame at all, or b)we haven't gained dana's trust enough.


You know what? You're right, I remember reading something like that on her blog now that you mention it.

So it's a trouty question. I apologise... But at least that's an answer. Either it's not important, or they'll tell us later.
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