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[META] The Community, attitude in general
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[META] The Community, attitude in general

Reading though some of the posts on this forum, I have been shocked at the mean, sometimes blatently rude way people are treated when they speculate on different things.

Isn't the point of an ARG to take EVERYTHING into account? But I read a post posting some valid spec that is shot down (by moderators, no less) mixed with satire...

Doesn't seem like a good way to get new players interested, or to run a community.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:08 pm
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I've read this stuff to, but it is mostly the Mods here trying to keep the repeat posts down.

Other than that they have repeatedly commented on the difference between the ARG players and the "Haloites." The ARG players are following a few "rules" for this type of thing that the "haloites" don't. The Haloites are simply putting things on this site that don't belong, mostly because they are not considered "in-game."

I can't claim to have read a lot of it, but from what I have seen the Mods are simply enforcing those rules.

Look at it from their point-of-view. They are trying to solve this mystery and are very interested in what will happen only to have some people who don't follow POSTED RULES ruin the experience for them with spam that doesn't belong here.

This is my first experience with an ARG of any kind. I couldn't even begin to try and keep up with these guys. This site has been a great source of information, and the least I can do if I am going to post at all (which I haven't) is follow their rules.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:23 pm
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Following rules is fine and dandy, but distastefully denouncing someone's spec/whatever followed by a lock just seems a bit.... I don't know.. discouraging...

Why not keep the General forum as it is, GENERAL and not so heavily moderated (as it is now, really) And make a moderated forum where posts have to be validated or something.

It seems the only people who garner any real respect are a few key people (who, from my experience, don't seem to contribute that much at all, really) that, when they have the chance, take pleasure in shooting down Joe Schmo's 3 paragraph post...

ridicoulous

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:26 pm
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Middlebad
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My main point is that they are reducing repeat-posts of information. Even among the ARG players there are repeat-posts of information. If they just let this go on unchecked, then there would'n't be much of a chance of keeping all of this information organized.

This is the main point. The information has to be organized.


As, for the spec, well for the most part if it comes from information that is not considered "in-game" then it doesn't belong here. Guests and visitors must simply respect that and no ruin the experience of the ARG players.

THIS IS THEIR SITE.


As for being rude, I'm sure its just frustration as I see them dealing with this type of thing on a fairly daily basis.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:33 pm
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Most threads that get locked or trouted simply because they are covering old ground or haven't bothered to take in discussions that were a part of an other discussion.

Splintering the same discussion into multiple threads isn't beneficial to anyone, and doesn't help the spec out.

Generally, people here are very open to new specs/ideas - even wild or remote ones. Provided that:

a) The spec has been searched so that it's not covering old ground or repeating another spec

and

b) The spec has at least some evidence or research to back it up

Can you provide specific threads you think were unfairly locked?

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It seems the only people who garner any real respect are a few key people (who, from my experience, don't seem to contribute that much at all, really) that, when they have the chance, take pleasure in shooting down Joe Schmo's 3 paragraph post...


When we've gotten a major update or drop, the boards can go a bit crazy. Threads can pop up so quickly that one thread will need to be merged into another before there's even a couple posts down. Without them doing this, the boards could quickly be awashed in multiple threads bringing down the same debate to a grind.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:38 pm
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it's an ARG! "in-game"

ALTERNATIVE REALITY GAME! Smile

So, all of reality is changed, so anything you find can be considered ingame

You're a professional stalker and have found Dana's real name? Let's have it, more fun.

I don't see a problem with this, as I have been tracking her down myself, and am getting pretty close (at least I think, down to 4-5 people in the SF area that could be her) and I will be posting my information soon.

I think this is good stuff, and should be considered, even IF the PMs didn't intend it (The game molds around the players, et al)

That's the fun, the open-ness...

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:39 pm
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You don't unerstand. If this site focused on everything, there would be no organization.

For example... There have been a lot of websites out there using this in some way simply to get more hits to their site. These sites have nothing to do with the ARG. There must be a distinction between what is "in-game" and what is not or there is too much information, too many red Heiring(sp?).


Now what you have seems like good information. I'm sure information about the actually people participating in the ARG would be welcomed. But, if you post something they have known for a long time, then be prepared for someone to point it out.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:46 pm
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Guest wrote:
You're a professional stalker and have found Dana's real name? Let's have it, more fun.

I don't see a problem with this, as I have been tracking her down myself, and am getting pretty close (at least I think, down to 4-5 people in the SF area that could be her) and I will be posting my information soon.


Ok, I'm all for spec, wild or otherwise, but the person portraying Dana is not in-game and her real-life identity should be kept out of here. Dana is a character. She is in-game. The real person behind her is not. Finding and posting real-world info about her is a major invasion of privacy, and is tantamount to stalking.

I really hope you are kidding about posting that information. If not, you deserve all the "blatantly rude" responses you'll be getting. Expect several from me.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:46 pm
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Listen to him. I hadn't quite thought of it like that. Certain information may be okay, but there is a line that must not be crossed.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:48 pm
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It's not 'invasion of privacy'

I'm pretty positive that the person portraying Dana is one of the 5 people I have a list of, with pictures, but they all look VERY similar and need more investigation. Want to know something funny, though?

The one i'm most interested has a sister named Margret

All of my information came from public sources.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:49 pm
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Guest wrote:
It's not 'invasion of privacy'

I'm pretty positive that the person portraying Dana is one of the 5 people I have a list of, with pictures, but they all look VERY similar and need more investigation. Want to know something funny, though?

The one i'm most interested has a sister named Margret

All of my information came from public sources.


Public sources is hardly a defense. Knowing the "true" identity of Dana won't help progress the game, if anything it might hurt it or shut it down. It would only become detrimental to us, to the game and to "Dana".

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:11 pm
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I think the number of trout posts have gone up since the Wiki got slow. It would help things if the Wiki were more responsive. With a fast Wiki, new people can take an easy look at what we know collectively.

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Since I have no way of knowing what your "sources" are or the methods you used to obtain this information, I can't say if it is legally an invasion of privacy or not although it definitely smacks of it.

As you said yourself, this person is 'portraying' Dana. She is not Dana. Dana is a fictional character. There is NO in-game or out of game reason for stalking the people representing the characters and if you are serious you should reconsider this tactic.

As for the tone of the forums, keep this up and you will earn yourself one of those "unnecessary" locks. Rolling Eyes

-veen

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:23 pm
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Guest wrote:
It's not 'invasion of privacy'


That's a bold statement coming from someone who won't even sign their own posts.

How would you like it if I tracked down your personal information and posted it on a forum without your knowledge or consent? I'm pretty sure that would be an invasion of privacy no matter where I found it all.
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Guest wrote:
it's an ARG! "in-game"

ALTERNATIVE REALITY GAME! Smile

So, all of reality is changed, so anything you find can be considered ingame

You're a professional stalker and have found Dana's real name? Let's have it, more fun.

Okay, think of it this way.

What if I decide that you're a provocateur, here to lead us astray because the PMs think we're solving this too fast? Am I within my rights, according to your statement, to hack the server logs here and find the trail you leave behind whenever you use the Internet (not quoting details!) and then knock on your front door to demand answers?

Didn't think so.

There's a way to speculate that won't waste everybody's time. It's to gather evidence, put it together, see how it matches up with what's already known, and THEN post it up to see if anybody else can find holes. SPEC needs research first. Research needs evidence. Not "flying monkeys whispered it into my ear" stuff, but something you can point to that the rest of us can see or hear for ourselves.

There's a way to gather research, and that's by working with what we have WITHIN THE LAW. Just because this is an ARG doesn't mean that the Constitution of the United States (as an example) has been suspended. Nor have State or municipal ordinances. Stalking, trespassing, hacking, etc. are all still OUT OF GAME. AND ILLEGAL.

Use sources that are in the public domain, yes. Use material available here and elsewhere that is public, fine. Use it to track down one of the players to harrass them, and I'll volunteer to testify at your criminal trial. Use it to break into a private residence or a place of employment and I'll stick up my hand to swear out a deposition if it'll help the prosecution.

DO NOT GIVE US A BAD NAME. Please act within the bounds of good taste.

And, for heaven's sake, please ensure that brain is engaged before putting keyboard into gear.

-- Steve may be stamping on this pretty hard, but he can't take any chances that someone might actually ACT on this weak logic.
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