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[UPDATE] UrbanMythology.net 08/24/2004
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dishboy
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 		[UPDATE] UrbanMythology.net 08/24/2004
3 new myths for the weekly update. "Haunted Hotels" looks particularly intriguing...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:24 am
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blackmage
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 		It has something again about infrasound... That's definitely gotta be a link. That's 3 pages so far about it.

Now I'm kinda expecting a trout, but meh

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herichon
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 		Just a couple of notes regarding the "Haunted Hotels" entry...

The Queen Mary, Stanley Hotel, Menger, Gunter and Heathman Hotels all are legit and pretty well documented around the net, as are various hauntings in New Orleans.

The last one Amanda mentions but does not name is a little more obscure. All indications are that she means the Old Goldfield Hotel, in Goldfield, Nevada. Some information found on this site:
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Old Goldfield Hotel - This 154-room hotel; was built atop an abandoned gold mine in 1908. The downstairs bedroom is haunted by the ghost of a pregnant woman thought to be a prostitute named Elizabeth who after becoming pregnant was chained to the bed in this room by hotel owner George Winfield. After she gave birth, the baby was thrown down a mine shaft, and Elizabeth was left in the room to die. The image of Elizabeth appeared in a photograph taken by a reporter from Las Vegas. Winfield himself is thought to haunt the hotel also, and the smell of his cigar smoke and fresh ashes have been found on the floor. The ghosts of two children and a midget also haunt the building and have been spotted near the lobby staircase. The Gold Room is haunted by a ghost who "stabs" people, and in the Theodore Roosevelt Room, high psychic energy has been detected. Some people claim that the hotel is one of only seven portals to the "other side" that exist.
Located at 310 Sunday Avenue

More details can be found here, and here. I did not however find anything that would indicate that this place is reopening (as Amanda implies), although it does sound like ghost tours are fairly regular there.

Wild late-nite spec:
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Is there some significance to the fact that she includes this relatively obscure reference among the better-known ones? Or how about this - Amanda asks, "Is there something in common with all the different haunted hotels...?" Maybe there is something in common with the ones she mentions? Or some sort of message to be found in their names?

edited to include the Goldfield Hotel address, accidentally left out of the quote

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Is there something in common with all the different haunted hotels, or are there really that many displaced spirits roaming the Earth, trying to get their messages across to the living? Is it all a secret government plot using infrasound? Are you brave enough to find out?



This paragraph from Haunted Hotels strikes me as interesting as it again brings together a lot of the ideas we've been thinking about - spirits, messages to the living (through dreams?), infrasound.

So, fellow Hunters, are we brave enough to find out? Very Happy

EDIT - Also, this week's titles seem to have gone off the Song Title theme. 'Those Aren't Pillows!' is a quote from Planes, Trains and Automobiles, and the other two just seem to refer to their content.

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 		I agree the last lines :

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Is it all a secret government plot using infrasound? Are you brave enough to find out?[/code]


These never once touched on in the body of the post.

I believe this is a hint and a question to us!

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 		SPEC: Was there a secret testing of Infrasound as a weapon at CMH and the House of Dread people were the victims???

Webster's Dictionary defines infrasonic, or infrasound, as "1: having or relating to a frequency below the audibility range of the human ear. 2: utilizing or produced by infrasonic waves or vibrations."

Here are some googled links -

http://www.infrasound.org/ (looks like music group, the address for purchase is Cambridge, MA - not our Cambridge, MN)

Infrasound and "death":

http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/gavreaus.htm
http://www.lowertheboom.org/trice/infrasound.htm

Infrasound and "government":
http://www.stormingmedia.us/keywords/infrasound.html
"Infrasonics: Ultra-low frequency sound waves deliver interesting information"
http://geology.about.com/od/infrasonics/
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 		Interesting links there kona.. from http://www.lowertheboom.org/trice/infrasound.htm, 7 is an important number as it is the frequency at which infrasound can cause death. Just thought it was interesting due to the 'Why is Seven so important?' story on UM.

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7 Cycles Per Second (Hz) - The most profound effects at this infrasonic level occur here. Seven Hz "corresponds with the median alpha-rhythm frequencies of the brain. It is also commonly alleged that this is the resonant frequency of the body's organs and hence organ rupture and death can occur at high-intensity exposures." (source; 'Acoustic Trauma: Bioeffects of Sound,' by Alex Davies)


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GMonger
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 		Ok, so wild guesses being part of the game and all....

In looking up the Old Goldfield Hotel, I ran across this page about some ghost hunters visiting the place. Deciding to follow up on that, I ran across not one, but two pages at fortunecity reposting the story, but missing some parts of sentences, and with some sentence pieces added.

Probably nothing, but might as well have someone reassure me of that Smile

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Crackpot theory #2-Teddy Rossevelt is a link between several of the hotels, including ::insert fanfare:: an urban myth about him speaking from the balcony of the Old Goldfield

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The Queen Mary, Stanley Hotel, Menger, Gunter and Heathman Hotels

Where movies/TV showes filmed at all of them? I seem to remember roumors of odd goings on during the filming of "The Shining" at The Stanley and we have odd goings on here during the filming.
Just and idea.

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 		Goldfield, Nevada
My Wife's an 8th generation Nevadan, so after doing some research, I asked her about the Goldfield Hotel, and in the process uncovered some interesting parallels between there and CMH.

In 2001, the Fox TV series "The Scariest Places on Earth" did an episode on the hotel. You can read accounts of this show from two of the participants, here and here. You can see (minimal) information on the show itself here.

However, when I asked my wife about Goldfield, she told me that while there were several definitely haunted places in Nevada, the Goldfield Hotel was not one of them, and the "investigator" who took the TV crew to the hotel probably didn't know what she was talking about.

When I asked her about the hotel being purchased and renovated, she said that was true, and in fact that the hotel had been purchased several times over the past few decades by optimistic owners who tried to fix it up, ran out of money, and sold it again. She said the resturants in Goldfield are constantly going out of business too. And she told me about an organization she belonged to which tried to arrange an anual barbeque in Goldfield, but abandoned the idea after holding only one event.

When I pressed for details, she admitted that people aren't comfortable in Goldfield. It's not the hotel specifically, but rather the whole area. She described visiting there, and suddenly feeling uneasy as soon as she got out of her car. She says it's really the logical place to stop for gas and food for drivers between Las Vegas and Reno, but very few people stop, just because it feels "creepy." Even though Goldfield appears to have a lot to offer, for some reason very few people are willing to live there. By contrast, Tonopah, a very similar city only a few miles away (which has a hotel which probably is haunted) is thriving, and is a very cheerful place to visit.

When I made the (sort of) logical connection to recent events here in the ARG, and asked her about infrasound, she admited it was a posibility. Low sounds need large chambers to produce it, and the silver mines next to Goldfield would be a perfect candidate for such a phenomenon. Infrasound isn't as exciting an explanation as a tale of sex and murder, but it does a much better job of explaining the actual events which occur in Goldfield.

Similarly, dmax came up with a very similar theory, here, about CMH and infrasound, but with the underground tunnels producing the sound rather than a mine. I think his theory is excellent, and believe it's time to investigate infrasound in more depth, so I created a new thread for the topic here.

Also, even though I don't think it's in-game, my wife and I are hoping to go check out Goldfield again sometime soon.
Konamouse - I think you live nearby - would you like to join us?

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konamouse
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 		OOOhh, neat field trip idea. Dish has CMH, we can go to The Goldfield.
Problem - I'm out of town for the next two weeks Sad

Thanks for the info on the hotel. If you don't plan to go until mid-Sept, then I'd love to drive up there one weekend (would have to be late afternoon, though). We'll take this to PM.
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 		konamouse,

A weekend in September sounds great.

What does "We'll take this to PM." mean?

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 		I think she means 'Private Message' Very Happy

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I think she means 'Private Message' Very Happy


Ah - got it. I thought "PM" was "Puppet Master" and got confused.

Thanks for the clarification.

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 		There's an update that has been posted to the Hautned Hotel story. It reads:
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8/26/04 Update: I got an interesting e-mail from a reader today regarding the hotel story. Oddly enough, there appear to be two purportedly haunted old hotels in the same town in western Nevada. They were both build atop old, abandoned gold mines and have quite a reputation among the locals for the scope and frequency of their ghostly visitations. It's not clear whether both hotels are actually haunted or whether similar names have caused stories from one place to be applied to the other. In any event, it would be interesting to see if both places are built over the same gold mine!


Could be a nudge, we should check it out.

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