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[PUZZLE] Axons: Brainstorming
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Nola
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 		[PUZZLE] Axons: Brainstorming
There are other threads for numerical, literal and relative Axon discussion. I am creating this one for ideas that do not fit any of the above, allowing people to openly share wild ideas, NOT RELATED TO THE OTHER CATEGORIES. Virtual brainstorming. Other people can build on those ideas and go from there. I just don't like the idea of limiting SWAG's and not trying/sharing entirely new ideas.

So here go the first few:

-Can we determine a point that is equidistant to all 220 locations? It would either be somewhere in space or somewhere on the opposite side of the planet... perhaps a location in China? How can that even be represented?

-Since time travel seems to be involved in the game... could the points represent locations that were important IN THE PAST and therefore were chosen to become important once again?

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Nola
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 		Another one that I posted on the numerical thread, but it doesn;t really belong there...

Could the data pairs represent polar coordinates (Radii, angle) instead of normal coordinates (x,y)? Has anyone tried graphing them that way?

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 		AGH
could the Axons Go Hot stand for the Asian Garden Hotel in china? just stumbled across that, prolly coincidence though.

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 		Interstates
Just to throw out there.. A lot of points correspond closely to interstate roads. Can these somehow be arranged into numbers of IP addresses? Probably in the order that they were given.
Has anyone tried this? My apologies if so.

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 		Re: [PUZZLE] Axons: Brainstorming
Nola wrote:
-Can we determine a point that is equidistant to all 220 locations? It would either be somewhere in space or somewhere on the opposite side of the planet... perhaps a location in China? How can that even be represented?


Well due to the curviture of the earth I think that if there is a point that is equidistant to every Axon it would be inside of the earth..

The game mentioned time travel? I must have missed that somewhere.
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 		interstates
Just to go along with the interstate idea... this was on the forums earlier:

http://home.comcast.net/~hoowells/newcoords.gif

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 		could be big here...


on the old links page (go to bees.netninja.com and then click on mirrors, and pick july27) there is a link to a GEPC.org This is the grace blah blah church of Lawrence Kansas. And what do we have in lawrence kansas but a coordinate... havent had the oportunity to check others yet, but we might have found a connection.


BTW, trout me if this is old, ive been away from the forums for awhile

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Nola
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 		Re: [PUZZLE] Axons: Brainstorming
John Incognito wrote:
The game mentioned time travel? I must have missed that somewhere.


Time travel is one of the specs as to how Melissa ended up in the present day... supported by a Halos' third novel, which features an object capable of distorting time and space.

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 		Is there a thread I'm missing which is tackling the puzzle strictly from the story angle? Not trying to reverse engineer the meaning I mean?

What do we know?

1) The coordinates were probably placed on the website by either SPDR or Flea posing as SPDR (due to the black on white text)
2) Melissa has "taken charge" of building "roads"
3) Melissa is still looking for Dana
4) Melissa doesn't seem capable of finding Dana via email or her blog
5) A road in the water or an errant road is bad
6) Flea seems to have Melissa looking for "the truth"


I keep seeing theories about what the coordinates might mean, but not why they might be part of the story in the first place.

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GunsmithCat wrote:
<snip>... tackling the puzzle strictly from the story angle....</snip>

In the spirit of brainstorming on the aspect of "strictly from a story angle", I've been considering two things: motive and resources.
1.What are the Queen's motives for these "roads"?
a. To find Dana.
Quote:
"Opening shot of my search and destroy. I'm going to know everything about you. Where you live and what you buy, how you think and who you love. Know the enemy. "
And,
Quote:
"I have data processes tracking her".
Are these places where the Queen thought she would discover things about Dana, or with some kind of connection to Dana?

b. To grow beyond the confines of Aunt M's computer.
Quote:
"I must be a starfish, growing strange new limbs to replace the ones fate has hacked away. That task is underway."
And,
Quote:
"With a more comprehensive and goal-oriented vision, I am now overseeing the process of my own regeneration into a hybrid body...".
Are these the places that she'll spread to when she becomes "wide awake and physical"?

c. To seek the truth.
With the Widow destroyed, she now has the Pious Flea whispering in her ear to seek the truth...but just whose truth, I dunno.


2.What resources are available to her to generate these coordinates?
a. IP hits to ilovebees (fireflies?)
b. her own memories including shipboard and literary ones.
c. the links she spewed out
d. from emails to Aunt M's account (although that seems to be the domain of the Sleeping Princess)

We have no indication in the story that she has access to Dana's blog (even though the link is on the main page of ilovebees) or any other files that might be stored in Aunt M's computer like a customer list (unless the memory she couldn't place; the one about people in white coats... is something from Margaret's files...I think I'll ask Dana if Aunt M had any type of surgery/hospitalization, just to try to eliminate that possibilty Smile)

The questions above are rhetorical.
It's old news, but in one spot.... I post them here, more in the hope that they spark brainstorms in someone else.

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drizjr wrote:

1.What are the Queen's motives for these "roads"?
a. To find Dana.
b. To grow beyond the confines of Aunt M's computer.
c. To seek the truth.


Let's not forget:

d. To build a field-expedient body.

(sorry, I am still having trouble accessing the wiki or I'd link to the exact quote.)

If we're speculating from a purely story-based angle, could there be something useful to Melissa at these coordinates for the creation of her wide-awake, physical, field-expedient body?

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 		I don't know enough about how ips address are constructed. are they always 10 digits long? each pair of coords is 12 digits. Combined as one number could they represent something other than coordinates?
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 		How IP address are constructed
IP addresses are constructed as 4 numbers from 0 to 255, then joined together by dots. For example, 255.0.127.1 is a valid IP address; 256.1.1.1, 200.100,200,200, and -1.123323.23.3 aren't.

It's a basic tenet in computer science that you can look at most any data as binary data. This is true of both IP addresses and GPS address. Binary is the lingua franca of the computer world; it allows translation. So it'd be pretty easy make the GPS addresses look like IP addresses. The question is: how to translate? It pretty easy to interpret the IP address side, but pretty hard to figure out how to present the GPS addresses in binary. Is it a standard IEEE float? (well, that's 8 bytes, not 4) Maybe a 4-byte float? Do you just convert it to an integer, then convert to binary? (eg: 36.1323 --> 361323 --> whatever 361323 is in binary). There are a lot of different ways to do it.

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 		in binary its 1011000001101101 according to this handy calculator, i hope this helps some
I know this site is for little kids doing complex base number calculations but hey it works

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 		IP addresses are made up for four sets of eight bits. The groups are generally separated by dots (.) although they can be written down how ever you want.

Since with eight binary (base 2) bits you can represent the decimal (base 10) numbers 0 - 255 IP addresses are in the range 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255 or 00000000.00000000.00000000.00000000 to 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111111.

There are some ranges reserved for special uses. For example the IPs 192.168.x.x are for private addresses as are 10.x.x.x. The US military also has its own set I believe.
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