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[LOCKED] Discuss the Axon .wav files and their transscripts here
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 		Not sure if anyone has even seen any of my posts damnit. still trying to find someone who had done the same thing I have with the wav files or if anyone has even thought about it. plus, has anyone thought this.... maybe jersey had ghosted jan so much that the personality became aware of itself and tried to "WAKE UP" in another form

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Nick Page wrote:
well, i do agree that its not really relavent, but thats not entirely true what you said. there was a species of fish that were known to have sight, but a group that lived and repopulated in a cave somewhere ( i forget where ) after a long time started to be born blind because they didnt need sight in the dark cave. its not survival, its just that their eyes were never used, and this passed genetically. but yeah, somebody losing a hand is different. maybe if they were born without a hand it would matter.

The entire premise of evolution is undirected, unguided selection of superior genes. A gene has no way of knowing that eyes aren't needed. Because sight is no longer needed, those fish that are born blind due to genetic flukes are no longer less fit for survival than those with sight (in fact, they're probably MORE fit, since sighted fish would be deprived of a sense they rely on), so the genetic flukes that cause blindness propagate into the species. Circumstances are not the cause of evolution; rather, how fit a member of a species is to exist in that circumstance is what drives the formation of their traits.

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 		does anyone else notice that the crazy "rewind" sounds seem to come at the beginning and end of a block? like someone rewinding to a specific spot?

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Antiarc wrote:
Nick Page wrote:
well, i do agree that its not really relavent, but thats not entirely true what you said. there was a species of fish that were known to have sight, but a group that lived and repopulated in a cave somewhere ( i forget where ) after a long time started to be born blind because they didnt need sight in the dark cave. its not survival, its just that their eyes were never used, and this passed genetically. but yeah, somebody losing a hand is different. maybe if they were born without a hand it would matter.

The entire premise of evolution is undirected, unguided selection of superior genes. A gene has no way of knowing that eyes aren't needed. Because sight is no longer needed, those fish that are born blind due to genetic flukes are no longer less fit for survival than those with sight, so the genetic flukes that cause blindness propagate into the species. Circumstances are not the cause of evolution; rather, how fit a member of a species is to exist in that circumstance is what drives the formation of their traits.


right, thats what i was saying. even if the guy was more fit for survival without his hand, it wouldnt matter unless he was born without it, and things can evolve and change, like every fish in the pitch black cave being blind after a few years, even though not having site would make them less fit for survival elsewhere, in the cave it didnt matter, so they did evolve anyway.

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 		Back to the topic, I don't think we have any proof to connect this story to the halo or marathon or even myth universes as of yet.

Another possible theory might be that the AI is a split of Cortana from the period after Halo 1, and has been "sent" back in time to warn them of the impending attack of the flood and covenant. But because of the fragmentation and shick of traveling through time, loses awareness of identity and mission.

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 		another idea:

Jan asks the cop during the interrogation if maybe he is a terrorist? Do you think that could be her dad? During the Jersey-Durga conversation, Durga says that he has a fake name and ID. So, he isn't really Jan's dad (by the spike on the baseline during the interrogation). What does anyone else think?

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Stormy wrote:
another idea:

Jan asks the cop during the interrogation if maybe he is a terrorist? Do you think that could be her dad? During the Jersey-Durga conversation, Durga says that he has a fake name and ID. So, he isn't really Jan's dad (by the spike on the baseline during the interrogation). What does anyone else think?


terrorist line is just thrown in to try to beat the test, the cop picks up on this and asks her if she thinks hes stupid.
The spike on the base line either means she doesnt think of him as her father or shes uncomfortable with him finding out shes been busted. (the test measures breathing and pulse rates which will rise with excitement/fear)
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Grumpicus wrote:
CoffeeJedi wrote:
at the end of durga:

Jersey: could you get pictures?

Durga: I can do better than that.....

leads into Durga tapping into the security system / MP's watching Jan and relays that back to Jersey


good spec? trout?


I've been thinking that for quite some time...


Agreed. The time frame fits correctly as well. We have the "blip" in all three story lines--it starts off the Durga (the blip happens and then Durga is in the computer), it starts at the same time as Jan is in/on the facility, prompting the MP's (Military Police?) to notice her on camera. Durga could tap into what's happening with Jan (ghosting?), which it's several minutes after the "blip" in both cases. Somehow, I think this blip is crucial to the events that are happening, and tying things together.

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Theorizer wrote:
AngryEd wrote:
Back to the topic, I don't think we have any proof to connect this story to the halo or marathon or even myth universes as of yet.

Another possible theory might be that the AI is a split of Cortana from the period after Halo 1, and has been "sent" back in time to warn them of the impending attack of the flood and covenant. But because of the fragmentation and shick of traveling through time, loses awareness of identity and mission.
To realte to the halo universe, AI's, and ghosting (I have a feeling it was once very breafly mentioned).


If the wavs aren't related to melissa at all (highly unlikely cos she said they were her means of contacting her crew) then theres a chance
but as melissa is an independant ai who seems to have travelled time it isnt a warning of the flood.
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Avatrix wrote:


Agreed. The time frame fits correctly as well. We have the "blip" in all three story lines--it starts off the Durga (the blip happens and then Durga is in the computer), it starts at the same time as Jan is in/on the facility, prompting the MP's (Military Police?) to notice her on camera. Durga could tap into what's happening with Jan (ghosting?), which it's several minutes after the "blip" in both cases. Somehow, I think this blip is crucial to the events that are happening, and tying things together.


We do have a blip in the dating module too, when he "loses him" there for a second and the girl goes to the bathroom...

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AngryEd wrote:
Back to the topic, I don't think we have any proof to connect this story to the halo or marathon or even myth universes as of yet.

Another possible theory might be that the AI is a split of Cortana from the period after Halo 1, and has been "sent" back in time to warn them of the impending attack of the flood and covenant. But because of the fragmentation and shick of traveling through time, loses awareness of identity and mission.


Check Phase 1 puzzle text:

http://www.thebruce.ca/ilovebees/Fulltext_text.asp

We have ONI officer's, 'glassing a planet,' Lt Sorenson asks if the object is Covenant. C'mon now!
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 		tie in's
[SPEC]
One piece of info related to Melissa (from old ILB Fun Stuff page).
Quote:
"Humor me," the Castaway said, playing : music in his room, ancient music, Jazz and Swing, : all in the mood. "Melissa", he said, "Have a drink with me". : I don't drink, but I asked for something anyway and sat, : holographically, and drank with him. He wasn't : regular crew, just along for the ride. We picked him up in : deep space, where he deployed Buoys, sending out waves of sound : to confuse the Enemy. A man that : seemed noble, classical and pure. A sailor with : Odysseus. He told stories about soldiers caught : waist deep in water, facing the enemy, their backs to : the Sea. "Melissa", he called me Melissa, never : used my nickname, "It's a sad thing I'm married, : You could break my heart". The weather was stormy, scratched vinyl and : all of us, a long way from home: I felt real.


I'm thinking "the Castaway" is Jersey's Father. Any takers?
1) He's deploying buoys in deep space - Jason Merelli (father) is "radio beacon deployment" (from jersey.wav)

2) Castaway is Married - So is Jason Merelli

3) Jass and Swing playing in the castaway's room - Jersey Merelli has the same stuff playing in his room in jersey.wav

Now, what does it connect with?

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 		For those who missed it yesterday here is a link to the four_goats phone call recording. I'm helping!

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Ah found it:

3. Catalytic thyroid implant:
Platinum pellet containing human growth hormone catalyst is implanted in the thyroid to boost growth of skeletal and muscle tissues.
Risk: rare instances of elephantiasis. Suppressed sexual drive.

Well that means that he cant have children by sexual reproduction but it says nothing for cloning proceedures where you take the dna of one cell insert it into an embryo and pass an electrical current over it.


Just to be technical "Supressed Sexual Drive" does not mean that The Spartans (as Dr. Haynes.... I think that's her name, but my book is not in front of me to verify, looks over the field tests on monkeys regarding the enhancments the Spartans would undergo) cant have children by sexual reproduction. It just means that it will be a little harder for the Spartan to "get in the mood"

Why do I say that? Because there are a lot of drugs now that "Surpress Sexual Drive" but those people still can have sex (let's just get it out there) and have kids, it just means that their desire to do so is less than what would be considered "normal." Prozac and many of the other anti-depressants are examples of those types of drugs.

Obviously this is symantecs, as one could suppose that John 117 (The Master Chief) would not have a child simply because his life's "purpose" is to win, as the book had communicated many times. But since we are using the book "The Fall of Reach" as reference for speculation on this particular "angle" it is worth mentioning.

Therefore, it's not entirely prudent to rule out any kind of "Master Chief had a Bebbe' " theories without sufficient first hand evidence. Personally, I am highly sceptical the master chief had any sort of kids, but just for the sake of argument, let's throw this [SPEC] out there:

A. In "The Fall of Reach," there is a conversation between John 117 and Corporal Mendoza (his drill seargant) that he is going back to train the next group of Spartans, and therefore had to leave the current group of Spartans.

Is it possible then that:

  • Jan's "Spartan Like abilites"

    • Audio File - "Hey_soldier.wav"

  • Father's Connection to Special Op's

    • Audio File - Walkaway Girl.wav

      • Mentions "The Lovely and Talented Ms. James" and that they don't call her "The Walkaway Girl" for nothing. As mentioned previously, indicated that Military is at least familiar with her.
      • Also talks about how her father was in "Special Special" forces.

        Two possible points of Conjecture: Using TFOR again as refrernce, The "Special Special Forces" were ODST's the "Shock Troops". The reason I don't say Project SPARTAN was the "Special Special Forces" is because project SPARTAN was Black until well into John 117's Career, and was only revelaed when ONI decided that it was needed as a Morale boost for the military.

        Other Possible SPEC could be that Daddy is a SPARTAN himself, but would be highly imporbable as that means he would have to be John 117 or a next Gen. of Spartans.

    • Audio File - "Durga.wav"
      - Talk's about father's identity being like "lint". Records are heavily "snared" by computer security.

  • and most importantly - Assuming this does indeed have a direct connection to the HALO/HALO 2 Universe:

Can we then Speculate on the possibility that Jan and some others are the Second group of Spartans, and that Jane's dad is not her father, but perhaps her handler that has been assigned to her to protect her and keep her identity as a Spartan under wraps after Reach fell?

Do I personally feel this is what this is; not really, but I wanted to throw it out there jsut to see what kind of [SPEC] and other ideas this might churn up. The only real way we can get a full idea of what's going on in each of the "mini stories" is to get all the files HOT (I know there are transcripts, but many times audio provides subtlties lost in transcription) and then go from there.

On a side note: While I am also sure this has been said, I'd like to reaffirm that there are certain parts of these audio clips that correlate to previous puzzles. The one that jumped out at me was Durga on the machine, which says some of the exact things written in the Operator Monolgues ("I feel confined", etc...). I will have to read them again and listen to the Audio files before I can offer any real conjecture on their relationship, but I would happy and interested in what others have to say.

Don't know if this has been put forth before, but if it's redundant... oh well.

[Edit: Fixed file name from "druga" to "durga"... sorry]

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 		Further proof that Durga = Melissa - check the Escape wav.

"Wet the system".

When have we heard that before?

"First stage is always to wet the system. Sink in, like the blood Odysseus spilled; give the ghost of myself a voice and use it. Mayday, Mayday, Mayday. "

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