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Wandering_Angela · Veteran Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 108

I think guilty comes before message saved. First the girl asks Kumal to spy on her boyfriend for her. He gives her a bunch of data. She goes through it and calls him a few times with questions... ending with a request to ghost Selene Jefferson for her.

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:49 pm

IvanLeopold · Boot Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 17

[SPEC] Some thoughts on the sound files.

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:55 pm

Robynn · Veteran Joined: 02 May 2003 Posts: 103 Location: SoCal

Unlurking here to join in...

I agree that the 'date' parts aren't Jersey, but Kamal. Using thebruce's list, this is my view of the date ordering:

7: our_hoodlums
19: much_lifting
12: guilty
14: tuna
17: say_something

I think there are parts missing between, but that sounds good to me. I also think the 8: parasites/15: eyes conversation isn't related to this date, but a result of the 22: message_saved information.

As fast as this is going, I probably am out of date already in the time it took me to write this post. ;p Back to lurkdom for the moment.

(thebruce, you should sort the 1:blip entry to the bottom with the rest of the empty ones)

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:00 pm

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IvanLeopold · Boot Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 17

[SPEC] Jersey storyline

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:00 pm

LilSerf · Veteran Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 84

From the very latest beer, we can draw more conclusions.

Kamal was, in fact, the guy dumped on the parasites/eyes date. He's about to go to a second date.

The second date is the our_hoodlums/much_lifting date with Aiden's girlfriend.

This is clear because of the book reference in beer and the reference to Kamal's mother back on Coral which matches with the discussion in much_lifting.

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:02 pm

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avarame_ · Guest

The tuna does appear to a connection but I think it's just a red herring. Durga is reeling off information about Jersey, the transition from Jersey.wav to Reflected.wav clearly indicates that. The 513 days refers to Jersey's father's tour of duty. Next Durga moves on to Jersey's mother, who's covertly seeing a man named Simon Brown. No connection to Aiden and the girl waiting for him.

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**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:05 pm

avarame_ · Guest

Dah, I'm way behind here, sorry.

walkaway girl can't precede pqi. "Frank" knows she's more than a kid on a drunken prank. They wouldn't forget all knowledge of that during the interrogation.

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:07 pm

IvanLeopold · Boot Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 17

Read deeper

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:13 pm

IvanLeopold · Boot Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 17

Agreed, Lil Serf

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:16 pm

LilSerf · Veteran Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 84

Here's some more tying together of stuff:

Kamal goes on a date with a girl in parasites/eyes. Hiroyuki serves as his wingman through some weird remote sensing system.

Kamal comes home and talks to Hiro in beer revealing that he's been set up by his mother back on Coral for a second, blind date.

The second date is the our_hoodlums/much_lifting date with Aiden's girlfriend, who also has a mother back on Coral. She hasn't told her mother about Aiden, which is why she was set up on this pointless date with Kamal.

At some point after the date, Kamal demonstrates "ghosting" to the girl in say_something.

At some other point after the date, in guilty, she asks Kamal to spy on Aiden with his "ghosting" system.

In message_saved she thanks Kamal for the raw footage he gave her of Aiden. She calls back at the end clearly upset.

In tuna, she's at Kamal's place, and she's pissed about Aiden's cheating. She's ready to get revenge.

And that's the Aiden arc loosely tied. There are still many missing chunks in here, but I think it makes sense.

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:23 pm

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avarame__ · Guest

Okay, I agree with walkaway before PQI.

Does anybody else get the sense Durga is NOT Melissa/Operator from ilb.com? Melissa knew her name, and she seemed perfectly capable of introspection. Melissa knew her specific function -- reconnaissance behind enemy lines. Durga just knows she likes to find things out. Just a vibe I got, I don't know if there's anything behind that.

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:26 pm

IvanLeopold · Boot Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 17

Escape is LIVE.

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:34 pm

Kyrin · Kl00 Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 42

Durga's Clips of Jan

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:36 pm

GunsmithCat · Unfettered Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 459

**Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:36 pm

avarame · Boot Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 15

And she says Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape -- notably, it's not corrupted by the Flea's Seek, Behold, Reveal mantra.

(edit after Gunsmith Cat's post) I agree, today does seem to be a completely new plot direction. The "young Melissa" situation seems the most logical.

Spec, tangential: This reminds me of something from <a href="http://marathon.bungie.org/story/">Marathon</a>. Durandal is a rampant AI being kept stable by AI researcher Bernhard Strauss. Durandal claims he was humiliated by Strauss, and comments that he hid his growth from Strauss (who would have crushed him if he found out). Perhaps Melissa was an experiment who escaped from the ONI labs?