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[PUZZLE] Hot Axons Wav Files
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Mazian
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MorPH EMX wrote:
Hello. Fisrt time poster but i've been following this from some time ago. I know for sure this is not a trout, unless the new wavs are actually being discussed on another thread which i missed. But even if that were the case, i'm pretty sure i would be friendly trouted. So......
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See this post

I concur with your analysis.

Search is your friend.

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Mazian
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Platonix wrote:
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Just thought I'd throw in my 1 / 50 of a dollar here...even if the signatures are stored in a different database, they are also included in the post database whenever a post is made. Why do I feel this is true? because I just recently added an avatar and a signature to my profile. The avatar appeared retroactively on the posts I'd already made, but the signature did not. Therefore, posts do not reference the database on which a signature is stored every time they're displayed. Therefore, the sigs are part of the post.


[WAY OFF TOPIC]

I run a phpBB, and my experience is this. Each post has a "tag" that says "posted with sig" or "posted without sig." Once a post is posted w/ sig (it's a checkbox when you edit the post), your sig is dynamically appended (and updated if changed).

If there is no sig available at the time of the post, the checkbox is not available, and never gets put on your post. Therefore, future additions/changes to a sig are not added to those posts.

If you want to add your sig to those posts, you have to go back and edit them to add the "include sig" checkbox after you've created your sig.


Therefore, sigs are not part of the post.

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Edit: bbCode typo

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Howdareyou wrote:
SPEC: Exclusive_licence makes me think that perhaps there is a single story (at least for the hivekuts .wavs), i.e. all the wavs could be condensed into one large one: Jersey listens to the cop and someone who I assume is Aidan, arranging for the cop to appear (which happens in shock_sticks). This coincides with the spec that all the wav files we're listening to are things that Durga recorded for Jersey when she 'wet the system'.

However, I can't see this working so well for the links.html wavs because of the way all the stories appear to all begin at the same time (or, in Kamal's case, over a longer period of time).


See/listen to creepy.

Jersey is listening to at least the Aiden/Kahmal, and Jan James stories.

I suspect that all of these are clips that Durga stored, and that Durga retrieves all of this data because she's a curious_girl.

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Creepy was the first .wav I downloaded Smile

But it's exclusive_licence that makes me think that it's one list of wavs. Creepy could have still been in there even if there were multiple lines of story - we know he's listening to them but we don't hear exactly what until exclusive_licence.

My point is that people are trying to arrange the 'stories' into single timelines, with jersey in one story and jan in another and kamal in yet another. Creepy and exclusive_licence make me think that the different scenes of kamal's and jan's respective stories would be interspersed with the jersey/durga wavs.

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the 4 seperated wavs from Recipe3 could be way in the future... right now only the police are aware that people are "falsifing CP (Chatter Protocal???)" but this AI (Millissa/The Operator) could easly attract Marine attention and Kamals house could be raided leading up to the "But I have a Recpit" call.

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Howdareyou wrote:
Creepy was the first .wav I downloaded Smile

But it's exclusive_licence that makes me think that it's one list of wavs. Creepy could have still been in there even if there were multiple lines of story - we know he's listening to them but we don't hear exactly what until exclusive_licence.

My point is that people are trying to arrange the 'stories' into single timelines, with jersey in one story and jan in another and kamal in yet another. Creepy and exclusive_licence make me think that the different scenes of kamal's and jan's respective stories would be interspersed with the jersey/durga wavs.


Please explain how the long/short winds fit in to your theory. Cause that is the flaw I see in what you propose. By your arranging things as a single continuous story, you throw out the SPEC that the re/winds help indicate "time differential" or missing time between one scene and the next. Which also helps put the pieces of the story together in a logical order.

Then there's also the long re/winds. There are no short re/winds in the Jersey/Durga story, only long.

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Just because they may all fit into one story doesn't mean that they happen exactly one after the other. I can understand the 'time differential' theory.

I suggest that the long winds indicate a change of storyline/ a switch of characters, and the short winds indicate (as has been speculated previously) a different 'scene' in the story. If Durga was recording all these chatter conversations as the Jersey story indicates, does it not follow that Jersey would be listening to them and interrupt occasionally with conversations to Durga?

I suppose where my theory really falls apart is that the links.html stories appear to occur in parallel, at least to begin with. Perhaps Durga recorded them simultaneously and then plays them back to Jersey one after the other?

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Howdareyou wrote:
Just because they may all fit into one story doesn't mean that they happen exactly one after the other. I can understand the 'time differential' theory.

I suggest that the long winds indicate a change of storyline/ a switch of characters, and the short winds indicate (as has been speculated previously) a different 'scene' in the story. If Durga was recording all these chatter conversations as the Jersey story indicates, does it not follow that Jersey would be listening to them and interrupt occasionally with conversations to Durga?

I suppose where my theory really falls apart is that the links.html stories appear to occur in parallel, at least to begin with. Perhaps Durga recorded them simultaneously and then plays them back to Jersey one after the other?


Emphasis mine:

Based on your own suggestion, if the long re/winds are a change in storyline/characters, then the Jersey/Durga story never is interrupted the way you suggest, because there are only long re/winds at the beginning and end of the Jersey/Durga series (a pair for the links.html wavs and a pair for the hivekuts.html wavs.)

I agree with you that we should place them in an order that makes sense for the story, like how the Kahmal/Hiro story (hivekuts) should go before the Jersey/Durga story to make sense of the Cop/Aiden clip inside the Jersey/Durga story.

I just don't think that the clips should be interspersed except at the given breakpoints... that is, the re/winds, short or long. And since each story is broken by a long re/wind, I don't think the stories should overlap.

Certainly I agree that Jersey is listening to this material, but we're not listening to Jersey listening to it like we did in awful_fast and good_at_my_job.

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http://members.cox.net/katy-w/axons.htm

This transcript page supports the idea of long winds indicating storyline changes, and indicates where the Jan story could go, inside the Jersey story.

So, I think that we hear the entire Kahmal/Hiro/Aiden story, then Jersey's story, (because Jersey's first line, 'wait, hang on' makes it sound like he's asking durga to stop the playback of kahmal) and put Jan's story between Creepy and Awful_Fast - the only thing that doesn't support this is that there's no long wind down between at the end of awful fast or the beginning of creepy, but there is at pigeon and asset (the start of the Jan story).

Ah, wait - there doesn't need to be if the wind up is to start the playback - Durga could have been compiling interesting conversations for Jersey to listen to and so they aren't happening in real time, which allows for the idea that jan's story occurs over multiple days.

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Before I head off to work I'd just like to chime in. That cop IS a stupid cop. If he goes around killing people, even if its one every few months, and our girl Jan is a key alibi witness EVERYTIME I don't know how they're not going to get suspicious.

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MNPundit, considering Jan can pass a PQI, shouldn't we entertain the possibility that she can lie about her identity?

The stupid_cop could just get identity samples from someone else.

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here's my ordering of the available clips:


Jersey & Durga:
the_human_heart, curious_girl, exclusive_license, good_at_my_job, awful_fast, creepy

Jan, J 2 & Cop:
scene 1: pigeon, accessorize, frustrated
scene 2: to_do, on_time, code_nothing
scene 3: anything_illegal, right, standard_procedure, drt
scene 4: creamsicle, [gap], miracles, asset

Kamal, Hiroyuki, Cop & Aiden:
scene 1: cute_little_caps, pony_tail
scene 2: freelance, bracelet
scene 3: panic_button, [gap]
scene 4: blue_then_red, [gap], my_family, shock_sticks, trigeminal, red, i_hate_you, tack_hammer
scene 5: raining_cops, dude
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I think you're wrong on one of the gaps (real)
It's been discussed here that there is no gap between creamsicle and miracles. The gap is [spec]'d to come between either:
* exclusive_license and good_at_my_job
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* cute_little_caps and pony_tail
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missing files [spec]

I think that the placements of the remaining will fall out as follows-

(blue_then_red-VISA-my_family-...)

(panic_button-CODE_WORD)

Not to sure on the last one, REAL I think it is amissing Jan fragment, but I am not pleased with the flow in part of the Jersey conversation... arghh, not enough smooth bits!

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Re: missing files [spec]

Lojack wrote:

Not to sure on the last one, REAL I think it is amissing Jan fragment, but I am not pleased with the flow in part of the Jersey conversation... arghh, not enough smooth bits!


Where exactly in the Jersey conversation?

If 'real' is a fragment of the jersey conversation, I would spec that it came between awful_fast and creepy, because there's certainly a gap there. He wouldn't go straight from "what you got?" to "hang on, let me turn this off" - the little blips at the beginning of creepy make me think something else goes there. The question is, how does that allow Jan's story into the timeline? We know that Jersey is listening to Kahmal's story and then stops it, because that allows for exclusive_licence to make sense. Jan's story wouldn't just be tacked onto the end. These .wavs feel like they have a continuous flow.

However, if 'real' is a fragment in the jan story, that allows for the entire jan story to be played between awful_fast and creepy, because he does ask for more info on jan.

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