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[SPEC] Seeker/Princess' home
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Oecumenix
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[SPEC] Seeker/Princess' home

Quote:

reveal:
Princess > seek

I don't know. Home, I guess.

Princess
seek >> home

Yeah. Except I don't remember it. Or really even know what it means.

!transmit
seeker > home

I guess we have something in common after all.


I've not seen any posts discussing this yet.. it seems to imply that the PF and the SP are from the same place Exclamation . That would blow up quite a few SPECs on the origins of the two.

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My interpretation of that is not that they both are from the same home, but that they both want to go to their respective homes. I wonder if this possibly means that the Flea might not be a Covenant AI after all, and it is simply in his nature to control the Queen to meet his ends (finding a way home).

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Oecumenix
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My interpretation of that is not that they both are from the same home, but that they both want to go to their respective homes. I wonder if this possibly means that the Flea might not be a Covenant AI after all, and it is simply in his nature to control the Queen to meet his ends (finding a way home).


I considered this... but if they just shared a goal surely then the PF would have said:

!transmit
seeker > seek


rather than

!transmit
seeker > home


It seems to me that the PF has actually !transmitted his home to the SP, and they share it in common.

...UNLESS: the PF also doesn't remember its home, and that's what they have in common.
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I really don't think that the Flea and the Sleeping Princess share a home, she hates him too much. I think, instead, that the Flea was simply expressing the fact that he is looking for his home. That, or he is unaware of his home-of which both he and the Sleeping Princess are looking for.

If they shared a home, I doubt that the SP would dislike him so much. I think maybe he was trying to pull a 'smooth' one on her. He seems like an overly slick kinda guy, going up to the SP all the time and trying to get some flea-on-princess action. Pulling her leg, maybe?
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Sirius
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But if that was the case, how would SP know they have that home in common, if she cannot remember her own home?

I agree with avatrix here in that the thing they have in common is wanting to go home.

Although I do still think the flea is a covenant "AI". I think the flea is some kind of spy program, with the added ability to manipulate Melissa to some extent. The flea would likely want to send any information it has back to the covenant perhaps?

No real evidence to back this one up, but perhaps the flea wants to send the location of earth to the covenant? If the flea sent a signal now, at light speed, from earth, presumably itd take a very long time to get to the covenant homeworld... maybe 500 odd years.. just right to fit in with when the covenant discover earths location in Halo: First strike, and tieing in nicely with halo 2..

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GunsmithCat
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Re: [SPEC] Seeker/Princess' home

I'm reading it as...

Quote:

reveal:
Princess > seek


What do you seek?
I don't know. Home, I guess.

Quote:

Princess
seek >> home


You want to find home?
Yeah. Except I don't remember it. Or really even know what it means.

This last one I read as either:

Quote:

!transmit
seeker > home


I am trying to broadcast to my home.
I guess we have something in common after all.


or

Quote:

!transmit
seeker > home


I am trying to get to my home.
I guess we have something in common after all.


I don't think the Flea stuff seems terribly insightful, we had sorta assumed that a Covenant AI probably wants to reach his home/people/etc. Princess might be a little more illuminating, but in her frustrating way, not by much.

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noideaforausername
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i've read these sections differently, it seems..

i don't know how many people have done it, but through the years of using computers, i've often got frustrated and had an 'argument' with the statements they'll throw up.
For example:
Syntax Error in...
bite me
Syntax Error in...
i'll give you Syntax Error
*kicks computer*

in that respect, i took these lines to be that the Flea (or whatever is writing the code) is trying to run some kind of command, and she is just responding to them. Like a kind of one-way conversation. It's prying her for information, and she's replying with rhetorical comments.
Or am i horribly wrong?

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jellyfish_green
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It can't be one-way or the Flea wouldn't be trying to escape after she threatens him.

But the Flea seems to be able to understand the gist of her sentences even if he only replies in syntax, and can be easily confused (!analyze:fail).

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Oecumenix wrote:
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My interpretation of that is not that they both are from the same home, but that they both want to go to their respective homes. I wonder if this possibly means that the Flea might not be a Covenant AI after all, and it is simply in his nature to control the Queen to meet his ends (finding a way home).


I considered this... but if they just shared a goal surely then the PF would have said:

!transmit
seeker > seek


rather than

!transmit
seeker > home


It seems to me that the PF has actually !transmitted his home to the SP, and they share it in common.

...UNLESS: the PF also doesn't remember its home, and that's what they have in common.


I've always interpreted ">" as something like "I will do this thing" he's revealing his intentions. I think what he's transmitting to the SP is the fact that he wants to go home as well. We don't know if he knows where his home is or not, and neither does the S Princess, but what we know (now) that they have in common is the desire to get home.

Or maybe I just need to find that document of SPDR/Flea code and read more.

noideaforausername wrote:

in that respect, i took these lines to be that the Flea (or whatever is writing the code) is trying to run some kind of command, and she is just responding to them. Like a kind of one-way conversation. It's prying her for information, and she's replying with rhetorical comments.
Or am i horribly wrong?


No I agree, I don't think the P Flea is trying to analyse what the SP is saying, I think he's trying to analyse HER. And just as she is to us, she's a mystery to him. Since he/it couldn't attach to her right off the bat, he's now trying to take a more "subtle" route to learning about her. While it continues to try to analyse and attach it/himself to her, it's now trying to display humor and a modicum of friendliness. (Maybe in the hopes that she will, at some point in the future, let her guard down and P Flea can attach to her.)
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