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[SPEC] Durga != Melissa (in 10 easy steps!)
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jegger
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GunsmithCat wrote:


James Morelli is Castaway.



I hate to nitpick your nitpicking, but his name is Jason Morelli, not James Morelli. I'd hate for someone to get him confused with J^2 Smile

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jegger wrote:
GunsmithCat wrote:


James Morelli is Castaway.



I hate to nitpick your nitpicking, but his name is Jason Morelli, not James Morelli. I'd hate for someone to get him confused with J^2 Smile


Doh!

Still not on the level of when I spelled "cryo" "cyro" for a month....


I need better coffee.

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johnny5
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 		Melissa doesn't remember the Castaway because in her time jump (to Jersey's computer), she lost her memory. She only learns about him after the "accident" (or otherwise) that causes her to jump back in time/space.

The "reflection" may be a protection mechanism that occurs whenever she enters new surroundings.

I specualte that the accident shot "melissa" and associated subroutines back into multiple time/space locations including our own.

If you don't believe the time-travel theory, then why are we interacting with an AI from 2552 on ilovebees in 2004.


--john--

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johnny_Nitro wrote:
Melissa doesn't remember the Castaway because in her time jump (to Jersey's computer), she lost her memory. She only learns about him after the "accident" (or otherwise) that causes her to jump back in time/space.


That's not supported by Melissa's retrieved memories. She has interacted with him, but she still quizzes a crew member on who he is. It's not that she has forgotten him, because she actually remembers not knowing his identitiy well before the shipwreck.

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GunsmithCat wrote:
johnny_Nitro wrote:
Melissa doesn't remember the Castaway because in her time jump (to Jersey's computer), she lost her memory. She only learns about him after the "accident" (or otherwise) that causes her to jump back in time/space.


That's not supported by Melissa's retrieved memories. She has interacted with him, but she still quizzes a crew member on who he is. It's not that she has forgotten him, because she actually remembers not knowing his identitiy well before the shipwreck.


She didn't know his identity before the shipwreck.
The shipwreck put her into the past, where she became aware of Jersey's father. She forgot about the Castaway in the shipwreck.

--john--

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GunsmithCat wrote:


Doh!

Still not on the level of when I spelled "cryo" "cyro" for a month....


I need better coffee.


try a Starbucks Americano, that'll get your axons nice n' hot
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johnny_Nitro wrote:
GunsmithCat wrote:
johnny_Nitro wrote:
Melissa doesn't remember the Castaway because in her time jump (to Jersey's computer), she lost her memory. She only learns about him after the "accident" (or otherwise) that causes her to jump back in time/space.


That's not supported by Melissa's retrieved memories. She has interacted with him, but she still quizzes a crew member on who he is. It's not that she has forgotten him, because she actually remembers not knowing his identitiy well before the shipwreck.


She didn't know his identity before the shipwreck.
The shipwreck put her into the past, where she became aware of Jersey's father. She forgot about the Castaway in the shipwreck.

--john--


huh? could you put your theory in timeline style order for us please.... thanks
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 		[META, with a side of halo myth]I can't help but think that this all ties into the Index MC took in halo. obviously its the main plot-link/lead-in to halo 2. I believe we'll uncover how these events relate to what happened to the index, and the people/ ai who need it.

I think ILB is the results of whatever 343 guilty spark did after the events of halo 1. [wild, wild, spec] pious flea = 343 guilty spark. he's coming through the "lost time" in forerunner history for AI's so he can figure out where the index is. I would even believe that he's the reason the covenant discover where earth is, so they can do the heavy lifting, and he can come in and grab the index afterwards. maybe MC and cortana figure out a way to hide in the past, and spark figures out how to look for it there?

i dunno... work is making my brain not work so right.

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 		[META, with a side of halo myth]I can't help but think that this all ties into the Index MC took in halo. obviously its the main plot-link/lead-in to halo 2. I believe we'll uncover how these events relate to what happened to the index, and the people/ ai who need it.

I think ILB is the results of whatever 343 guilty spark did after the events of halo 1. [wild, wild, spec] pious flea = 343 guilty spark. he's coming through the "lost time" in forerunner history for AI's so he can figure out where the index is. I would even believe that he's the reason the covenant discover where earth is, so they can do the heavy lifting, and he can come in and grab the index afterwards. maybe MC and cortana figure out a way to hide in the past, and spark figures out how to look for it there?

i dunno... work is making my brain not work so right.

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killamajig wrote:
I can't help but think that this all ties into the Index MC took in halo. obviously its the main plot-link/lead-in to halo 2.


I think after reading Halo: First Strike the forerunner crystal would be a bigger plot lead-in.

Also, while I personally have no doubt at all this takes place in the Halo universe, I don't think I've seen any evidence at all that it somehow ties into the plot of Halo 1 or 2. (Obviously though, I know nothing about the plot for Halo 2 ...) I think it's more of a side-story, something that takes place in the Halo universe but doesn't have anything to do with MC, Cortana, and the "main" characters. (I also think Halo: First Strike was the plot link between the two: how the MC got from Halo to Earth, or at least close to it.)

On a side note, it has occured to me that the last time Bungie did something like this--the Cortana letters--everyone assumed (I think) that it was for another Marathon game. Oops. Wink

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GunsmithCat wrote:


So why is it, years later, Melissa doesn't recognize him? Can't connect the dots? I mean this is what she does. She knows he likes jazz but can't bring up a DMV photo when push comes to shove?


By this point, she doesn't even remember her own name. Why would she remember somebody else's name?
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HitsHerMark wrote:
GunsmithCat wrote:


So why is it, years later, Melissa doesn't recognize him? Can't connect the dots? I mean this is what she does. She knows he likes jazz but can't bring up a DMV photo when push comes to shove?


By this point, she doesn't even remember her own name. Why would she remember somebody else's name?


But it's not -this- point that she is remembering when she doesn't recognize Castaway. It's a memory from back when she was "healthy".

Basically I guess I see it as three possible timelines.

A) Jason M is the Castaway, Durga is Melissa. Durga spies on Jason. Durga becomes Melissa, gets a ship. Picks up Castaway. Doesn't recognize him as Jason. Gets infested. Shipwrecks. Lands on ILB.

B) Jersey M is the Castaway. Durga is not Melissa. Jersey grows up to become like his father, an ONI spy. He is later picked up by Melissa. Melissa shipwrecks. Melissa access Jersey's files and transmits them.

C) Melissa meets Castaway. Melissa shipwrecks, goes through time. Begins in 25XX, meets Jersey. Damaged, doesn't realizes Jason is the Castaway. Melissa goes through time again, lands on ILB, damaged some more.

Somehow to me, B just seems most likely.

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 		Flea's truth - Melissa is Covey
How about this [WILDSPEC]:

The TRUTH that the Flea is trying to reveal is that Melissa is a covert Covenant AI attempting to gather information. She's only impersonating a human AI trying to contact her "crew", and in an attempt to get us to help her, she's seeking some important information from us (or perhaps she really can't figure something out that her mission requires her to). Regardless, in this scenario we're helping the Covenant...wouldn't it be the ultimate tragedy if the final resolution of the game reveals that all the well-intentioned beekepers of the world actually caused the events of Halo 2? Shocked

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CoffeeJedi wrote:
johnny_Nitro wrote:
GunsmithCat wrote:
johnny_Nitro wrote:
Melissa doesn't remember the Castaway because in her time jump (to Jersey's computer), she lost her memory. She only learns about him after the "accident" (or otherwise) that causes her to jump back in time/space.


That's not supported by Melissa's retrieved memories. She has interacted with him, but she still quizzes a crew member on who he is. It's not that she has forgotten him, because she actually remembers not knowing his identitiy well before the shipwreck.


She didn't know his identity before the shipwreck.
The shipwreck put her into the past, where she became aware of Jersey's father. She forgot about the Castaway in the shipwreck.

--john--


huh? could you put your theory in timeline style order for us please.... thanks



Ok,here goes:

Future(2552?): Jazz with the Castaway...*Time travel event*...Near Future(2500?):Jersey's computer. Memory loss, but functional, reflected.
Present (2004): ILB. memory loss, but functional, time and us helping piece the puzzle together.

Brainstorm!!:

Here's my story spec.
contents ot casket is forerunner AI.
Castaway encrypts forerunner AI and integrates it into Melissa AI. But
blocks Melissa from seeing it (reflected)
Sends Melissa (and AI payload and Flea hitch-hiker) back in time/space to his son Jersey.
Maybe time stream leaked into our time, or Jersey time jumped it again.
SP is encrypted forerunner AI and Melissa can't see her because of reflection but SP can see out.
Flea/Seeker is enemy code on Melissa attempting to get to SP.

Trout? SWAG?

--john--

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 		Re: Flea's truth - Melissa is Covey
jitterBox wrote:
How about this [WILDSPEC]:

The TRUTH that the Flea is trying to reveal is that Melissa is a covert Covenant AI attempting to gather information. She's only impersonating a human AI trying to contact her "crew", and in an attempt to get us to help her, she's seeking some important information from us (or perhaps she really can't figure something out that her mission requires her to). Regardless, in this scenario we're helping the Covenant...wouldn't it be the ultimate tragedy if the final resolution of the game reveals that all the well-intentioned beekepers of the world actually caused the events of Halo 2? Shocked


While my current theory is similar, i think it's the flea that is covenant and he is using Melissa.

Brian

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