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[SPEC] Durga != Melissa (in 10 easy steps!)
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Atoner
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Astald wrote:
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They both have access to all kinds of data on everyone

Actually, I don't think I've ever seen Melissa figure out who someone is. She has a bunch of memories that come back, but can remember anyones name. Dana is out of her grasp, and while she has programs tracking her, she never says that she knows where she is. She plans on finding out everything about Dana, but if she was Durga, she should have instantly known. Durga does sounds alot like Melissa, but I keep drifting away from them being the same AI. A little take-off from what the dog says, "Not me, but another AI that sounds just like me."


Melissa figured out who EVERYONE was, back when she was intact. The axon audio comes from her memories. The only reason she's not as good at that anymore is that she has been critically "wounded".

Why drift from them being the same AI when all evidence points to that conclusion?

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Motoss wrote:

Also, 37 SPARTAN II's wiped out of the training after the augmentation process. 25 dead, 12 incapacitated for combat. However, the changes to the SPARTAN II's included genetic changes...and the Master Chief is over 30 by the time the events of Halo take place. It is not inconceivable that one of the "washed out" SPARTANs could have had a family, and have a teenage daughter at the time around or before the events of Halo.


I know this is ~extremely~ late, but I feel that I have to point out that the SPARTANs cannot have kids. It's written somewhere in 'Halo - The Fall of Reach' (I cannot currently find my copy) that as part of the augmentation process, the subjects would be rendered sterile as a side effect. Would someone check this in the book, I would guess it's somewhere towards the beginning of the book, before the augmentation.

Maybe she is a part of Ackerson's new SpecWepOps program. The one in First Strike that was said would rival the SARTAN project in its value to the protection of the human race.

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Astald
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Melissa figured out who EVERYONE was, back when she was intact.

I was looking at the Operator's Monologue, and I still don't see anything from her memories that would show her being as sufficient an investigator as Durga. She says she is good at languages, which I think is Melissa's main function. Translations and decoding encrypted messages is what she talks about mostly. I could see her being able to identify people quickly, but it still seems to obvious for Durga to be Melissa. If these are her memories we are hearing in the wavs, there might not be much to refute this, but she just says they are voices of unknown origin and wants her crews help for repair. These could very well just be audio recordings of her crew, or something of the like.

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Atrophied wrote:
*snip*
I know this is ~extremely~ late, but I feel that I have to point out that the SPARTANs cannot have kids. It's written somewhere in 'Halo - The Fall of Reach' (I cannot currently find my copy) that as part of the augmentation process, the subjects would be rendered sterile as a side effect. Would someone check this in the book, I would guess it's somewhere towards the beginning of the book, before the augmentation.*snip*


They are not sterile, their libido is just suppressed making them a lot less interested in makin' babies.
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3. Catalytic Thyroid Implant: Platinum pellet containing human growth hormone catalyst is implanted in the thyroid to boost growth of skeletal and muscle tissues. Risk: rare instances of elephantiasis. Suppressed sexual drive.


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 		And, just to be clear, the "supressed sex drive" is a RISK factor. It's listed in the same way as "permanent blindness", and not all the Spartans are blind.

We don't know how many SPARTANs may've picked up this particular defect, but there is a change that all, some or none got it.

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Astald wrote:
She says she is good at languages, which I think is Melissa's main function.


So you're saying that she was designed for etiquette an protocol?

Do you think she speaks Bachi?

((Sorry, bad HitsHerMark! Bad joke! Bad bad bad!))
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 		Re: Melissa's voice
Shad0 wrote:
GunsmithCat wrote:
Shad0 wrote:
Anonymousless wrote:
Has anyone tried to compare the voice of Melissa being played over the payphones, to the voice of Durga in the .wavs? We know that the voice on the phone is Melissa, and AIs in this universe tend to have a pretty unshakeable personality. I would imagine she would keep the same voice from one iteration to the next.

Except that we know for a fact that Melissa had to construct her current voice out of the 21st century equivalent of stone knives and bearskins. I agree that it makes perfect sense that she would prefer to use the same voice, considering the emphasis she puts on it ("A pleasing voice is the single most important component to a UI that will engender trust and confidence in a ship's crew"). However, even if Melissa wanted to keep the same voice, she wasn't necessarily able to do it.

True, but if the voices were very similar ...

where was that link to where someone recorded the actual convo with Melissa?

Here's one. It sounds to me as if there are two voices, at least one of which -- the higher-pitched voice -- is clearly not Durga.



((HitsHerMark: 'Bachi' is spelled "Bocci", sorry, bad SW Freak habit ^_^ ))

The automated voice on the payphones reminds me of Jeannie's Personal Assistant AI... like Durga revived and reprogrammed Jeannie's AI to do her biddings now.
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Atoner wrote:
Melissa figured out who EVERYONE was, back when she was intact. The axon audio comes from her memories. The only reason she's not as good at that anymore is that she has been critically "wounded".


But! Regarding the Axon audio Melissa also says:

Inbound:
The voices are of unknown origin
I will continue my analysis and attempt to influence the source.

...which to me implies that the voices in her head are not being pulled from her memory, but are coming from "outside". I realize Melissa maybe isn't the most reliable person to be making system diagnoses right now, but it's something to keep in mind. There's nothing saying that these are conversations SHE overheard.

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 		Re: Melissa's voice
Ceantari wrote:



((HitsHerMark: 'Bachi' is spelled "Bocci", sorry, bad SW Freak habit ^_^ ))

The automated voice on the payphones reminds me of Jeannie's Personal Assistant AI... like Durga revived and reprogrammed Jeannie's AI to do her biddings now.


Meia Culpa. Very Happy (Prolly spelled that one wrong as well.) Wink

You know what it reminds me of?

"The number you have dialed has been disconnected. Please hang up and try again."

Quizro wrote:

...which to me implies that the voices in her head are not being pulled from her memory, but are coming from "outside". I realize Melissa maybe isn't the most reliable person to be making system diagnoses right now, but it's something to keep in mind. There's nothing saying that these are conversations SHE overheard.


I don't know Quiz, she's talking here about "inbound" voices as a follow up to an update about her outgoing transmitions...

I think when she says "inbound voices" she's talking about us. The people answering the phones... We obviously know who she is, but she doesn't recognise our voices as being any from her crew.

She wants to find out who we are and "influence" us...

Which is fine with me... Because then maybe we can convince her to call phones that work. Very Happy
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 		Look... okay, this should settle it


"Wet the system" both used by melissa and durga

"seek, evade, resist, escape" etc both used (though the flea) by melissa and durga

Melissa's favorite game is hide and seek (read backstory for more on that) Durga 'likes to find things'

They are definitely related, probably the same.. but who knows! definitely related

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Oea wrote:

They are definitely related, probably the same.. but who knows! definitely related


If they are not the same AI, then they are certainly the same (or similer) kind of AI.
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 		Re: Melissa's voice
HitsHerMark wrote:
I don't know Quiz, she's talking here about "inbound" voices as a follow up to an update about her outgoing transmitions...

I think when she says "inbound voices" she's talking about us. The people answering the phones... We obviously know who she is, but she doesn't recognise our voices as being any from her crew.

She wants to find out who we are and "influence" us...


Ah. I didn't realize the "Inbound" bit only came after she'd contacted folks by phone. That we are the Inbound voices does sound reasonable then.

When she figures out we're not her crew, things could become...unpleasant.

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 		Pious Flea changes resist to reveal
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"seek, evade, resist, escape" etc both used (though the flea) by melissa and durga
[Bold added]

My belief is that the above quote is what the Operator says prior to the Pious Flea "taking control" or whatever you would call it.

The Pious Flea makes a change in that statement so that it becomes:

"seek, evade, reveal, escape"
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 		Agreed rose, but how long has Melissa been under the control of Pious Flea? It has been noticeable since Melissa stated that she has a new counselor, but then what caused her condition still onboard the ship. When she thought she was compromised. Maybe the crash, or whatever happened seperated Melissa and the Flea, and that is when she said the original Seek, evade, resist, escape. And then changed it to reveal when the Flea re-attached itself.

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 		The latest round of axons would seem to have poked a hole in this spec. Well possibly. It would depend on the spec that all the audio files are happening at the same time. If that's true, then we're clearly dealing during the Covie War and probably in the transition between the Outer Colony massacres and Inner Colony massacres.

And if the spec that the Apocalypso's slipstream jump is the cause of the disruption, than the Durga/Melissa connection seems stronger somehow. Maybe this is a tale of 3 Melissas?

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