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[LOCKED] [PUZZLE] The Seven Year Itch
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 		[PUZZLE] The Seven Year Itch
Trout me if you must, but I searched the forums and the Wiki thoroughly and found no discussion of this topic.

Consider the following:

* Margaret has been beekeeping for 7 years. (ref: ilovebees.com "main" page)
* Dana has provided "7 years of indentured tech support" to Margaret.
* In the killer.jpg "Killer 11" variant, the entity embedding text in the image says "had been changed going back a while though, more than 7 years ago now"
* And, referencing the Halo-universe AI we know the most about, the Halo Story Page entry for Cortana says that so-called "smart" AIs have "an unextendable life-span of approximately 7 years, at which time they become too smart, suffering from exponential attenuation of function; they think so much they forget to breathe."

While we're on the Halo/Bungie bandwagon, let's also remember Bungie's fondness for the number 7.

I don't pretend to know what (if anything) this means, but I thought I'd try to get some feedback. I've posted a similar entry on the Wiki, here.

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 		Re: [PUZZLE] The Seven Year Itch
Extrasonic wrote:
Trout me if you must, but I searched the forums and the Wiki thoroughly and found no discussion of this topic.

Consider the following:

* Margaret has been beekeeping for 7 years. (ref: ilovebees.com "main" page)
* Dana has provided "7 years of indentured tech support" to Margaret.
* In the killer.jpg "Killer 11" variant, the entity embedding text in the image says "had been changed going back a while though, more than 7 years ago now"
* And, referencing the Halo-universe AI we know the most about, the Halo Story Page entry for Cortana says that so-called "smart" AIs have "an unextendable life-span of approximately 7 years, at which time they become too smart, suffering from exponential attenuation of function; they think so much they forget to breathe."

While we're on the Halo/Bungie bandwagon, let's also remember Bungie's fondness for the number 7.

I don't pretend to know what (if anything) this means, but I thought I'd try to get some feedback. I've posted a similar entry on the Wiki, here.

Don't forget that the rotating links on the "Fun Stuff" page came in groups of seven. Mr. Green
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 		7 Recipes on the fun stuff page (not counting the unlinked 3rd recipe)...

Bungie does like their 7's. Wink

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 		all these sevens
With all of these 7s, I feel like we have puzzle (or a solution?) sitting right in front of our faces and we aren't seeing it. This has to be something more than a Bungie "signature", doesn't it?

Also, if this ARG is really "Beast 2", then Bungie isn't even running the game... they may provide creative direction, but that alone wouldn't account for all of the 7s, would it?

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 		Thinking of it as "Beast 2" is very out of game thinking. Trying to figure out who the puppetmasters are shouldn't be part of the game, although I'm willing to bet that Bungie is at least doing half the work due to the similiarity of some of the text to Marathon's Cortana Letters.

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 		Re: [PUZZLE] The Seven Year Itch
Forgot a rather obvious one: Margaret's e-mail address is ladybee777. Mr. Green
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 		A direction?
If Margaret started working with bees 7 years ago, and Dana started helping her with computers 7 years ago, and something happened to the "killer.jpg" entity (I steadfastly refuse to believe we have enough information to name that entity) about 7 years ago, then perhaps this puzzle is telling us to look for an event that occured 7 years ago that could be a contributing factor for what's happening now? Maybe August 24, 1997 would be a good starting point?

Again, I'm finding it hard to write this off as coincidence - it just smacks of a trail not followed...

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 		I checked around the Wikipedia, but nothing happened in 1997 August 24th. Of course maybe it'd be another date in 1997, I'll check it out.

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 		Re: [PUZZLE] The Seven Year Itch
Shad0 wrote:
Forgot a rather obvious one: Margaret's e-mail address is ladybee777. Mr. Green


True enough. While all of the 7 references in general are interesting, I was more focused on all the mentions of a 7-year timespan in particular. Still, you (and Freelance, with the recipies) bring up a good point - maybe we need to thread all of the 7s together to figure out what we're looking at.

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 		I'm trying to find the reference from the Operator when she mentions that she's been here (?) seven years, or something along the lines of that. Could someone point me to which text it was? I can't seem to find it on the Wiki, but I recall seing it somewhere. Confused

*EDIT* Never mind, found it. From killer.jpg texts:

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had been changed going back a while though, more than 7 years ago now


More than 7 years ago... wouldn't that mean it would be BEFORE August 24, 1997 ? It would even be before the end of July, since that's when the entity said so... I'll keep looking, but so far nothing turned up.

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 		Re: [PUZZLE] The Seven Year Itch
*** EDIT ***

Zedix answered his own question. Smile

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 		This is a huge longshot but :

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June 7, 1997 - A computer user known as "_eci" published his Microsoft C source code on a Windows 95 and Windows NT exploit, which would later become WinNuke. The source code gets wide distribution across the internet, and Microsoft is forced to release a security patch.


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 		The WinNuke thing is probably irrelevant... after all, if Microsoft is behind this, why would they want to draw attention to their major security problems?

Always good to bring stuff like that up though. I haven't found anything for 8/24/97 either. The only 8/10/97 event I can find is the death of some composer... Conlon Nancarrow, who wrote complex music for player pianos. Probably not related.

As for the more than seven years, there's always Win95 - 8/24/95, as Dana pointed out. Trout, maybe, but could be worth another look?
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Zedix wrote:
More than 7 years ago... wouldn't that mean it would be BEFORE August 24, 1997 ? It would even be before the end of July, since that's when the entity said so... I'll keep looking, but so far nothing turned up.


Agreed - good catch. I think the 7 year-timespans are approximations, probably plus/minus 6 months at the most.

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Nosnibor28 wrote:
As for the more than seven years, there's always Win95 - 8/24/95, as Dana pointed out. Trout, maybe, but could be worth another look?


Everything's worth another look. Very Happy

Still, though, if all the 7-year timespans are related (Margaret, Dana, the killer.jpg entity) then I think we're proabably pretty close to 7 years - I don't see Dana saying that she spent 7 years of "indentured servitude" if she really spent 9... if anything she'd want to exaggerate for more pity or to justify to herself the fact that she's allowing Margaret to spend money on a round-trip ticket to China as a reward for her work.

Another thought, but I don't want to go too far down the [SPEC] path... if all these 7-year timespans are related, then that would imply that the killer.jpg entity is native to Earth and to our timeline, wouldn't it? (Unless there were TWO shipwrecks and time-travel incidents, or the shipwreck/time-travel incident that brought The Operator happened 7 years ago...)

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