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[Captain Ferrell]

[Spec] Jan James is not a Spartan!

[Demosthenes]

I agree fully, Jan being a spartan just doesn't fit with established halo mythos.

The idea that her father could be a spartan is interesting, though...maybe some of the biological enhancements could be hereditary.

[daegan]

But it also does, because we know nothing of the SPARTANs that came before and after the SPARTAN-IIs. Let alone the training they went through.

[Arashi]

[Logical Spec]

The only opposition to her being a daughter of a Spartan is this:

The Spartans are hardened military machines - would you let your crack unit that is used for the hardest ops, sometimes for extended times have human sexual desires?

I think that for the sake of the human race and the operations they run, the genetic engineers would have perhaps have rendered the Spartans infertile, or atleast inhibited the levels of sexual-emotion inducing hormones.... but thats just spec.

[Theorizer]

[Arashi]

[Avery1415]

Re: [Spec] Jan James is not a Spartan!

[improvius]

Re: [Spec] Jan James is not a Spartan!

[Avery1415]

Speaking of someone doing something on the sly....

[Demosthenes]

Re: [Spec] Jan James is not a Spartan!

[chaotic_mind]

I think it's obvious that SOMETHING has been done to her. Most people merely reference the SPARTAN project because that is the most obvious idea. Still, there is no CLINCHING evidence, merely an opportune and tempting connection to make.

We know how the SPARTAN-II project went, but we really have no idea how any other secret proejct went.

My sense is that J squared is using his power and authority to protect Jan from manipulation and exploitation. Perhaps the SPARTAN project was started, and the exact ramification were hidden from the public or any military or civilian authority that would call to shut it down. Of course, it eventually came to light anyway.

J squared decided to adopt Jan. Thus explaining why she's going to public school and what not. Despite having been vicitimized by an illegal and immoral experimentation, J squared just wants to give her a normal life.

And, do we really know J squared burned down the police station? Perhaps he called in a favor, never realizing how bad it would turn out.

Luke P.

[zorplex]

This has probably been discussed before but... (READ: possible trout)

1. The engineers working on the Spartan biomods were not recorded in the books of purposefully modifying the Spartans to kill their sexual desires. But one of the modifications did hinder their sex drive. So they could better control their emotions. Anywho...

2. It has also been discussed elsewhere that Jan may be linked to the secret ONI supersoldier project. This was a competing military project that was abolished, supposedly, because of the success of the Spartan program. But people always want their way, so the project may have just gone underground. Jan may not be a supersoldier, but some connection does seem viable.

[chaotic_mind]

Maybe I'm the only one who read the book this way, but I was under the impression that the supressed sexual drive was ONLY a RISK FACTOR. It was listed in the same way as "permanent blindness". And, well, Master Chief isn't blind.

So, it's likely that some of the active SPARTANs have a supressed sexual drive due to physical reason, but not all.

Also, must we discount the possiblity of psychological engineering? The SPARTANs have been trained to think of higher concerns then mere sexual gratification. That doesn't mean they might start getting curious after the war is over.

Ackerson's competing project wasn't abolished, it was just placed on the back burner. At the same time, the SPARTAN-II project had ended up on the back burner, front burner, and then the back burner again. This happened EVEN after the SPARTAN's had proved their ability and usefulness.

As to Jan being a part of Ackerson's secret project, we DON'T KNOW what Ackerson's project is. As it is, there's not enough information ot make a judgement.

Luke P.

[improvius]

[zorplex]

Yes, I agree, there isn't enough information to prove that she is part of the supersoldier program, that's why I said she "may" be part of the program.

While the SPARTAN-II project was juggled back and forth as active (back burner, front burner, etc.) the supersoldier program never came back to the front burner as I recall. If I remeber correctly, Ackerson blaimed Dr. Halsey and her Spartans for the failure of his program. Ackerson may have wanted to continue the project badly enough to continue to work on it without official support.

Sadly, I do not own the books, I borrowed them from my friend to read, so I can't prove the side effects debate either way. As with the paralysis and blindness, the sexual suppression may have been only a chance thing.

The training the Spartans underwent may very well have included psychological engineering, but wasn't mentioned directly in the books as I recall, so I can't comment either way. Although, all the information introduced to them as they grew older would have been controlled by the people running the program, so psychological engineering was used simply by controlling what the Spartans learned. But more extreme psychological engineering may have been used without comment.

Sry, for the long post, but on a final note:
I am NOT trying to discredit the possibility of a Spartan having offspring, this is a very intriguing idea. I am simply introducing information into the discussion. (Flawed as it may be...Corrections are appreciated...)

(Sry Chaotic_Mind, I finally realized why you were so indignant about my post :p I was trouting some info from the thread you started, but let me borrow a quote if you will:

"Apologize in advance for trouting. Tough to keep up with the forums these days."

While this isn't "in advance", I still beg pardon for what I did.)