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[SPEC] Interaction theory
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greyberger
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[SPEC] Interaction theory

I've been giving a fair amount of thought to this ARG and trying to view the GPS puzzle in context with how the game has gone so far and my guesses as to how the PMs are handling things. I believe that not only are ARGamers expected to show up at the coordinates and get information from a phonecall/package/actor, but also that they are expected to interact in some way with the actor on the other end of the line. This interaction will be the basis of the next phase of the game.

Up until recently players have changed the game in mostly superficial ways. The princess talked using our emails but she says more meaningful and important things when she's using her own words. I think the axon puzzle is a different animal than the plot puzzles, however. When the forums burst open with spec on the GPS points the PMs were obviously monitoring this board and probably others. They reacted to our posts and confusion in real time, changing points, erasing others, even editing the way the time was displayed so they'd be no error when the axons finally went hot. Earlier today the princess offered to directly answer player's questions and implied that it would be the first question and answer session of many.

I think we're in the middle of a sea change in the haunted apiary, that we've passed from a plot-phase to an interaction-phase. The backstory has been laid out and we're down to the 4 necessary characters. We've got a good rapport with Dana (and with the SP, it seems), and we'll probably never chat with the villianous flea. We've had absolutely no contact with the Queen (plz correct me if I'm wrong). I think that will change when she's wide awake and more aware of her surroundings, that she'll use her new voice to call up at least some of the payphones near the coordinates. What nobody seems willing to think about, however, is that it might be that what she says is less important than what we say back.

If the PMs are looking for anywhere between 50 and 150 recordings of phone conversations, they are pretty much guaranteed that. The structure of the conversations is completely up to them. If they were just giving out one little piece of a 220-part puzzle (an often criticized theory), if the players missed just 1 location it could throw off the next part of the game. If they're giving out 220 copies of the same puzzle there's no point in updating the page constantly so that most players have a fair chance of hearing it; it would be posted online and anybody who cut work would feel stupid afterwards. I haven't come up with any good puzzles that could be made out of our interaction with the axons (maybe something that could be solved by compiling fragments based on what question we asked or by time of day), but I'm willing to bet that Tuesday Melissa becomes much more aware of us.

I'm just saying, if you're preparing or thinking about going to one of the axons on Tuesday, maybe you should think about both ends of the phone line. And If I'm standing by a payphone in Austin's capitol at 4:42 and nothing has happened, I'm going to pick up that phone and dial 0. They called her the operator, after all.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:54 pm
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hamatoyoshi
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I'm definitely agreeing that if the payphone thing is true, people should have their questions ready.

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GunsmithCat
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Well, while the Operator thing would be REALLY COOL, I'd have to doubt it on meta reasons. I don't even know what kind of court order that would require.

I do agree with the interaction theory. We're assuming Melissa is just going to make a wav file, my assumption is that it would be an audio clue to start the next "phase" of the game.

But if we need no clue, if the next phase doesn't start with a puzzle...

We know Melissa wants a voice.

She's mentioned a voice is handy to interact.

I'd still bank a pre-recorded message is more likely, but agree people who going to these points should have some questions handy. Darn good spec.

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gaelenb
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to hold itself apart

Bungie is smart enough to do this the right way - to really engage us and make this a real game. They know we'll feel like suckers if this doesn't turn out to be something worthwhile. I'm pulling for the interaction idea as their means to cementing their position.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:27 am
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gheritt
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If phones are involved on Tuesday, a lot of us will be recording the conversation. I believe Melissa will be as well. And soon, we'll be hearing incredibly creepy messages on the site, built out of our own voices.
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GunsmithCat
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More thoughts on this:

- If it's not interactive, what is Melissa's most likely message? All roads point to a mayday or some kind of SOS.

- Unless she is confused about how phones work, they seem like a poor choice for a mayday. Like calling a random stranger and asking for help.

- So if it's not a mayday - is it possible she is going after another of her goals? Maybe she's looking for the truth? Doing a little recon?

I'd say people might not only be prepared to ask some questions, but possibly ask questions themselves. I'd be prepared not to say too much Wink

The other non-interactive message I can think of is a warning, but that seem very redudant to the website. I suppose not much more than mayday text though.

Man, if the payphone theory holds till Tues - and there are two or more people at one site, I'd hate to have choose who answers Wink

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GunsmithCat wrote:
- Unless she is confused about how phones work, they seem like a poor choice for a mayday. Like calling a random stranger and asking for help.


Isn't that the plot to the upcoming movie Cellular?

GunsmithCat wrote:
Man, if the payphone theory holds till Tues - and there are two or more people at one site, I'd hate to have choose who answers Wink


Yes, as I mentioned on another thread, I can easily see fights breaking out over this. Can you imagine the reaction to a horde of people (hey, three can be a horde if it's done right) carrying cameras, radios, phone recorders and maybe a GPS device fighting over a pay phone inside the Texas State Capitol (surrounded inside and out by DPS officers) during the week of the Republican Convention? Cursing Not a pretty picture!

And I'd still be pissed if I had traveled far or taken part of the day off and not been able to hear the message, even if it was later posted to the 'Net. Especially if I got arrested after I got there. Wink

greyberger wrote:
What nobody seems willing to think about, however, is that it might be that what she says is less important than what we say back.


You're right, I don't want to think about it. But if I had to then I'm glad you'll be there, greyberger, because I have so many questions I wouldn't know where to start.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:49 am
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GunsmithCat
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That's a really good point Revealer. It might also lend to an interactive conversation, not a recorded message. Easier to be equal about it if someone could pass the phone around, or tell people what is being said/etc.

Course, it will probably be really short conversation by the time table, and might not be so easy.

Maybe if it's a recorded message it will be repeating?

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Maestro
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I'm leaning away from the "payphone" theory, partly because I'm in England and I don't like the idea of being left out... but also because, if I remember correctly, some of the co-ordinates were in fields and things. Can the PMs be sure that people will be able to find these places to the correct degree of accuracy? (Not such an issue in cities and things, but out in the sticks a few degrees out can make a hell of a lot of difference.)

But then again, if they're not co-ordinates, what are they? I thought maybe IP addresses, but the format is all wrong for that (I think). Interesting side note: if you type the "co-ordinates" into Google, it counts them as a calculation: xxxxxx minus xxxxxx, and brings up the answer. There are no hits for the co-ordinates, but there *are* hits for the mathematical "answer"...

(Apologies if this is all rubbish, first post, just musings.)

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GunsmithCat
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Most of them are by the side of some road. One of the things that was leading me away from a physical event was that some just didn't seem to be much of anywhere. But there are still phonebooths along some highways and in some neighborhoods.

It seems as more people re-scout with the intent of finding a payphone, they find one that may not be precise, but is pretty close to the target.

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greyberger
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Maestro wrote:

But then again, if they're not co-ordinates, what are they? I thought maybe IP addresses, but the format is all wrong for that (I think). Interesting side note: if you type the "co-ordinates" into Google, it counts them as a calculation: xxxxxx minus xxxxxx, and brings up the answer. There are no hits for the co-ordinates, but there *are* hits for the mathematical "answer"...
(Apologies if this is all rubbish, first post, just musings.)


The mathematical bit is new to me, but I don't know how promising it will be. Still, suprised no one (I've come across) thought of that first.

I agree that setting up the coordinates would be a logistical nightmare for the PMs. Then again, they could always post the coordinates a week and a half in advance, let the forums pick apart the ones that lead nowhere or don't fit into the popular theories, and constantly revise the list until most are on payphones 'Smile'.

Several spots got this kinda treatment... Austin and a Northwest coordinate off the top of my head. Lazy Bungie, getting us to do all the hard work....

And Revealer, I'm not gonna voulenteer to pick up the phone. This game is creepy enough without her voice running through my head.... I'm sure somebody will be responsible enough.

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First time poster. Man, I was surprised to see just how many coordinate points were near-ish to where I live (Hot damn! SIX in Baltimore?! And another in nearby Pikesville.), but I'm going to be another one of those lumps that's going to stick to staying home and watching the website like a hawk.

Me? Chickenwuss? Naaaw. Rolling Eyes

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HitsHerMark
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GunsmithCat wrote:

But if we need no clue, if the next phase doesn't start with a puzzle...

We know Melissa wants a voice.

She's mentioned a voice is handy to interact.



Maybe she wants *our* voices?

A sampling of over 200 different people (or more), depending on how interactive the "conversation" turns out to be...

You could probably cobble together something pretty interesting.
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In CYOA format

1. So how will you answer the phone?
"Hello?" (go to 2)
"I Love Bees!" (go to 4)
"Yo, I'm looking for a couple grams." (go to 5)
"HALO!" (go to 2)

2. The voice asks
"Do you love bees?"
You answer
"Yes!" (go to 4)
"No" (go to 5)
"WTF?!" (go to 5)

4. The voice launches into a story segment, almost exactly two minutes long. Do you record it?
Yes (go to 6)
No (go to 5)

5. The call disconnects. You stand there puzzled for some time then go home. THE END

6. You rush to the forum after the call disconnects and post your transcript in the existing threads. You realize some of the transcripts are the same, as the PM's were using data redundancy. Some genius works out what the total message is and posts it to the Wiki before the final axons have even activated. You read the message and puzzle over it for some time. THE END

Edit: adding the Halo fanboy option.

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(pats self on back)
'cos 3 out of 5 ain't bad.

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