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[SPEC] Meaning of the New Clips From the recipe3 Page
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cedmond
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 		maybe at this point things are starting to go crazy, they had to evac troy for some reason, if we take the ealier hints they some how got word of the impending attack....maybe something is starting to go down

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Malrog wrote:
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Man 1: Any data yet?
Man 2: A lot of chatter from the cable, sir. It looks like a ship dropped in, inside of lunar orbit.
Man 1: A ship...
Man 2: One of ours. The Apocalypso, sir.
Man 1: Jesus!
Man 2: Sorry sir, I should have been more specific.


Here's how I read it. I think Man 1's "Jesus!" is one of relief when Man 2 hurriedly reassures him that the ship inside lunar orbit is "One of Ours" (As opposed to "One of Theirs"). Thus, I can draw the logical conclusion that whoever these people are they are nervous, and possibly even expecting some sort of imminent attack.


I agree. I think that you are totally right on...

--rhaps

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cedmond wrote:
so why would this guy (who seems to be a high up military type) be posing as an old man trying to get info of someone else in the military? why not just ask someone in house? might he not be who we think he is (if we think he's anything yet)


I think we'll have to wait until tomorrow (or whenever we get the first two clips) to know for sure - if we ever know for sure.

Here's some questions/spec though:

* A blast from the (recent) past:
Quote:
Jersey: Can you do that to anyone? Can you do it to an admiral?
Durga: Which admiral?
Jersey: No! Don't start. Those guys have packet guards around them in rings. Somehow I think we should keep you a secret for a little while.


I guess those packet guards aren't very effective, eh?

* Why was Troy evacuated? Capt. Greene was undecided about even telling HQ about the enemy's plans to annihilate Troy.

Quote:
Capt Greene: ...Even leaving aside our particular mission, there's the issue of letting them know we've broken their codes. If we bug out and scramble home to warn HQ about Troy, people like Standish will say we've already compromised a huge tactical advantage, and that mounting a big evac operation will completely give the game away.

1st Lt Sorenson: Not even Standish would let them glass a planet if he knew it was coming. ... Oh my God.

Capt. Greene: I am not privy to strategic conversations at that level. But if we run home and present the decrypt, we put them in a tricky situation. If they act, they risk letting the enemy know we have a toehold in their C-and-C. If they decide that strategic advantage is too great to risk and don't act, then you know Section Zero will be all over them. Zero's wanted Standish forever.

1st Lt Sorenson: I...I understand. It's so much easier for everyone if we don't tell them.


One explanation would be that Greene decided to abandon her mission, bug out, warn HQ, and Standish agreed to evac Troy. It didn't really sound like that's how it was going to work out, though. Could someone (Sorenson, Melissa, The Castaway?) have broken protocol to get the message out? Clearly, marines conducting a full-scale evac of Troy would require HQ's knowledge and probably consent. Why risk the strategic advantage that Greene talks about unless it's already blown?

* Which leads me to my next speculation - SP told us that the Flea wanted Melissa to transmit this data secretly and not to her crew. If you accept the spec that the Flea is an agent of the enemy, then why this clip, and to whom did he think he could transmit it?

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 		For what it's worth, it's possible that maybe we (and Durga?/Melissa?) are listening in on the deep-voiced guy listening in on Mr. Receipt. So the background music comes from deep-voiced-guy's room, but Mr. Receipt is a separate transmission that deep-voiced-guy is playing over speakers that Durga?/Melissa? picked up.

I mean, I kinda thought Receipt-guy was deep-voice-guy's phony voice, too, but I can't put my finger on why; they sound really different.

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 		Ok, wild spec coming. (WARNING)

We know Melissa will go to great lengths to protect her crew. What if some of her crew was on Troy? I know it's a stretch, so don't explain how tenuous it is, unless you can blow it out of the water... I'm more or less trying to foster thought about it more than stating it as fact...

But: We've got an AI who's disobeyed protocol to protect her crew.
What if this whole thing is not that the whole thing is recorded, but maybe just the old man reciept thing? What if the people asking about data and the Apocalypso and all are just listening to recorded CP data? That would TOTALLY explain the beeps, would totally explain why someone's looking for data, and would totally explain the "two different conversations" aspect.

So, My wild spec is this: I'm thinking is that Melissa saved some of her crew from certain death on Troy by shooting over to the lunar orbit and evacuating her crew and others, and this is surprising to the two checking the tape? Anyway, it's a start to a theory and not much else... we'll know more tomorrow...

Edit- ok, so someone else is thinking along the same lines (at least as far as what we're hearing)... Sorry man, I don't wish to be trout, but ya posted while I was writing...
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 		Extrasonic:

* Why was Troy evacuated? Capt. Greene was undecided about even telling HQ about the enemy's plans to annihilate Troy.

Quote:
Capt Greene: ...Even leaving aside our particular mission, there's the issue of letting them know we've broken their codes. If we bug out and scramble home to warn HQ about Troy, people like Standish will say we've already compromised a huge tactical advantage, and that mounting a big evac operation will completely give the game away.

1st Lt Sorenson: Not even Standish would let them glass a planet if he knew it was coming. ... Oh my God.

Capt. Greene: I am not privy to strategic conversations at that level. But if we run home and present the decrypt, we put them in a tricky situation. If they act, they risk letting the enemy know we have a toehold in their C-and-C. If they decide that strategic advantage is too great to risk and don't act, then you know Section Zero will be all over them. Zero's wanted Standish forever.

1st Lt Sorenson: I...I understand. It's so much easier for everyone if we don't tell them.


Captain Greene wasn't undecided. He says right after the part you quoted:

Quote:
Capt. Greene: I think we have to report it. Our job is to gather intelligence: it's HQs job to decide what to do with it.

1st Lt Sorenson: God, I'm glad it isn't me making that call.

Capt. Greene: Don't feel too sorry for them, Rolf. Even Admirals have to earn their pay.


So these new axons deal with the aftermath of this decision. Greene reported the Troy situation to HQ, then either they made the decision to evac, or somebody who knew is doing without approval from higher up. Hopefully hello and troy will make this clearer.
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Astald
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 		Just a small little point to bring up.
Quote:
Man 2: One of ours. The Apocalypso, sir.
Man 1: Jesus!

We know of one person who seems to like saying Jesus, 1st Lt. Rolf Sorenson:
Quote:
1st Lt. Sorenson: We have to / drop the mission. We have to bug out of here right now and get word back to HQ. An evac on this scale they need every second. ...Jesus. I was stationed on Troy.

Quote:
Capt. Greene: That can't be part of the equation, Rolf. You know that.

1st Lt. Sorenson: Jesus.

Just trying to give a possible first spec as to who the guys is, but it is very far out spec until we hear the other wavs.

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macklin wrote:
Captain Greene wasn't undecided. He says right after the part you quoted:

Quote:
Capt. Greene: I think we have to report it. Our job is to gather intelligence: it's HQs job to decide what to do with it.

1st Lt Sorenson: God, I'm glad it isn't me making that call.

Capt. Greene: Don't feel too sorry for them, Rolf. Even Admirals have to earn their pay.


So these new axons deal with the aftermath of this decision. Greene reported the Troy situation to HQ, then either they made the decision to evac, or somebody who knew is doing without approval from higher up. Hopefully hello and troy will make this clearer.


Right on all counts, except... Capt. Greene is a woman.

Seriously, though, thanks for adding that. It makes my short attention span rather obvious, since I couldn't even read the entire dialogue. Smile

And I agree with your assessment - either HQ made the call to perform the evac, or someone with enough juice to get a bunch of armed marines and transports to Troy heard about it and decided to circumvent the official decision.

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t-toe
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Astald wrote:
We know of one person who seems to like saying Jesus, 1st Lt. Rolf Sorenson:


I think a lot of the people involved in these .wavs and transcripts like saying, "Jesus!" I actually find it odd, because that word is seemingly used less and less as an exclaimation these days...
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Astald
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 		Has someone else said "Jesus"? I can't really recall it but it could be true. If thats so then my spec would have less of an impact, just trying to see something that could be a red flag, such as the only character we had saying "Jesus". Can anyone tell me who else said it?

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 		Jersey did, when his AI died.

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 		jan and janet
could jan be a flash clone of janet? kinda like the spartans? maybe she's a spartan 3?
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 		I think the two separate conversation is channel surfing. Who/whatever is listening in on the guy complaining. The female voice says one moment. No point watching the commercial, so to speak. You hear a beep (change channel). Listen to the officers. Hear the beep. Changed the channel back just in time to hear the lady come back with an answer. Conversation between the guy complaining is complete. Time to fine some else to listen in on. You hear a beep. End of tape.

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 		yeah, and one of the two officers tracking Jan James through the facility said, "Jesus! She jumped!!!"
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usernameguy wrote:
Jersey did, when his AI died.


Jersey says it a crazy amount of times.
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