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SecondSundodger
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Now then, surely the government has tracking protocols for those who call them (especially something that would need to be followed up). Notice that TOM never gives a return CP address. He didn't need to. This is the future, and surely federal agencies have some sort of traceroute for incoming calls. Who is dumb enough to try and fake his voice when they can just trace the call? This is a strike against the TOM=DV, or else it lends creedance to the hacking idea.

I think it's kinda a bizarre idea that DV is faking TOM's voice, and is trying to fool the secretary, but has no problem with getting interrupted in the middle of the event. We never hear any evidence that TOM is ever put on hold in the first place. Nothing the secretary says, and no audio clues ever suggest that the secretary's silence after she says, "one moment, sir" is for any other reason than that she didn't say anything. Aside from the lack of audio cues, ask yourself...if you were DV and were trying to fake out the secretary with your TOM voice, would you let HV come into your office with a report while you were on hold? You don't know how long you will be on hold, and you would probably just wait for ten more seconds when the call will be over.

One other thing I want to point out, the part where DV says, "Jesus..." definitely sounds like a exclaimation of relief. Listen carefully, I think you'll agree. This makes sense as to why HV apologizes for not being more clear in the first place.


Ok, the attached sound clip is Jersey's computer assistant rebooting before Durga fries her. Notice that the sound GENIE makes almost sounds like the one I posted above, with another sound added to the beginning. We know that Jersey modified his Personal Assistant, so I theorize that the hello.wav sound is a rebooting sound (which makes sense in context), and that the sound in dizzy is a jazzed-up version of the universal rebooting sound that Jersey customized.



I think that sound in hello.wav is a redial sound. The Old Man says he had just gotten disconnected, so it would make sense that he would use some sort of redial function to automatically redial the CP address/number or however you dial-in someone in the future. I think the sound's similarity to the reboot sound is coincidental. I mean you could say it's a jazzed up version, but I think it's just different (to me, where the tones are higher or lower pitched is different, the rhythm isn't the same). And I still think that the Old Man and the Deep Voiced man (how about calling him Deep Throat? always seems to fit the anonymous like him, heh) are the same. I think the beeps that frame DV's can safely be assumed to be him being put on hold, and it's not that the other officer walks into his office mid-conversation, he walks into the COM room to see what the lower-ranked officer has found (as I stated previously). But you're definitely right about the "Jesus" being a sign of relief. That makes the most sense and is how I construed it to be as well.
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 		Re: more
SecondSundodger wrote:
SuperJerms wrote:
Now then, surely the government has tracking protocols for those who call them (especially something that would need to be followed up). Notice that TOM never gives a return CP address. He didn't need to. This is the future, and surely federal agencies have some sort of traceroute for incoming calls. Who is dumb enough to try and fake his voice when they can just trace the call? This is a strike against the TOM=DV, or else it lends creedance to the hacking idea.

I think it's kinda a bizarre idea that DV is faking TOM's voice, and is trying to fool the secretary, but has no problem with getting interrupted in the middle of the event. We never hear any evidence that TOM is ever put on hold in the first place. Nothing the secretary says, and no audio clues ever suggest that the secretary's silence after she says, "one moment, sir" is for any other reason than that she didn't say anything. Aside from the lack of audio cues, ask yourself...if you were DV and were trying to fake out the secretary with your TOM voice, would you let HV come into your office with a report while you were on hold? You don't know how long you will be on hold, and you would probably just wait for ten more seconds when the call will be over.

One other thing I want to point out, the part where DV says, "Jesus..." definitely sounds like a exclaimation of relief. Listen carefully, I think you'll agree. This makes sense as to why HV apologizes for not being more clear in the first place.


Ok, the attached sound clip is Jersey's computer assistant rebooting before Durga fries her. Notice that the sound GENIE makes almost sounds like the one I posted above, with another sound added to the beginning. We know that Jersey modified his Personal Assistant, so I theorize that the hello.wav sound is a rebooting sound (which makes sense in context), and that the sound in dizzy is a jazzed-up version of the universal rebooting sound that Jersey customized.



I think that sound in hello.wav is a redial sound. The Old Man says he had just gotten disconnected, so it would make sense that he would use some sort of redial function to automatically redial the CP address/number or however you dial-in someone in the future. I think the sound's similarity to the reboot sound is coincidental. I mean you could say it's a jazzed up version, but I think it's just different (to me, where the tones are higher or lower pitched is different, the rhythm isn't the same). And I still think that the Old Man and the Deep Voiced man (how about calling him Deep Throat? always seems to fit the anonymous like him, heh) are the same. I think the beeps that frame DV's can safely be assumed to be him being put on hold, and it's not that the other officer walks into his office mid-conversation, he walks into the COM room to see what the lower-ranked officer has found (as I stated previously). But you're definitely right about the "Jesus" being a sign of relief. That makes the most sense and is how I construed it to be as well.


I'm listenting to the complete audio for the first time this morning (31st) and I noticed that there is faint (very faint) music in the background of the old man. There is no background music with the deep voiced man. This lends credibility to the hack theory.

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 		Hm...

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There is no background music with the deep voiced man. This lends credibility to the hack theory.


As I mention in an earlier post, the piano piece IS playing throughout the entire piece, which tells me that it is not a hack.

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 		Since there seems to be some confusion (^^^^) as to what the hack theory is, I'll repeat it

Daffy889 wrote:
\I think it is the connection and not the actual call that is important. Sort of like phone tracing or getting a connection in order to find out someone's IP address, I think they need to get a connection to a particular military department in order to use that connection to their advantage. So one officer calls up the department pretending to be an old man to keep the connection active for as long as possible while the technician guy is trying to hack the connection and get some important data. That could be the reason for the interference in troy.wav, which the "old man" quickly blames on someone else.

The piano music, clock, and shuffling of papers is just there to add to the realism of the "old man" so that the person on the other end doesn't suspect anything. They also use the name of an officer who they know has been killed, so that nothing will actually be done about the complaint.

When the "old man" is put on hold a higher ranking officer enters to see how they are progressing. As soon as the technician confirms that they have the data they need, the call is finished quite quickly.

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Daffy889 wrote:
Here's my take on the whole situation - I think it is the connection and not the actual call that is important. Sort of like phone tracing or getting a connection in order to find out someone's IP address, I think they need to get a connection to a particular military department in order to use that connection to their advantage. So one officer calls up the department pretending to be an old man to keep the connection active for as long as possible while the technician guy is trying to hack the connection and get some important data. That could be the reason for the interference in troy.wav, which the "old man" quickly blames on someone else.


I think you're on to something there! The tracing makes sense and does explain the interference and TOM's nervous behavior immediately following it. But assuming TOM=DV, why would some high ranking official in the navy (as I assume DV to be) want to trace another military department?

Also, I see two possible explanations for Maria saying "I assume these guys were navy personnel?"
1. Maria works at the Naval Quatermaster's Help Desk (as opposed to any other branch of the military)... which brings up the question, why would DV want to trace his own department?
2. Maria's office does have tracking and can tell that TOM is calling from a Naval location, so she assumes the "guys" he is calling about are also Navy personnel. But then why can't she track down exactly who is calling? Personally I tend to go more with #1.

In an attempt to reconcile this thought, I'll make some wild spec here: perhaps TOM/DV suspects some sort of conspiracy or treason of someone in his dept (Navy). Maybe even a "sellout" to the Covies (or a Covie spy somehow working in ONI? Or a Covie AI or virus infecting the system?) This would explain why he needs to trace or tap lines in his own dept, and it would also explain why he seems so relieved to hear it was one of his own ships that dropped into lunar orbit -- maybe he was half expecting it to be Covie. OR, maybe he's just relieved because they glassed Troy and he's afraid it's only a matter of time before they find Earth (or wherever he is).

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 		Just as an addendum to my last post: I think we should try to keep in mind how Melissa fits in to all this. Obviously, she was "there" one way or another, as the audio clips are coming from her...

EDIT: ... unless these are NOT parts of her memory at all but instead transmissions she is *currently* intercepting, through time and space (somehow). Melissa now adds "New voices are intercepted weekly." to the INBOUND section of about.html... could these audio snippets actually be happening as we speak and NOT be "history" after all?

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 		Hey everyone, I've been following this for a while, but haven't really had time to devote my full attention to it. This may be trout and if so I apologize, but it' hard to keep up with all the theories.

I believe someone mentioned that Melissa could be the AI onboard the Apocolypso, and that this could be the ship that entered realspace in lunar orbit. That info was gained from the 4-pack of axons the SP gave us.

I'd like to take that theory a step further. I'm unsure as to whether Troy was alerted about the impending attack (I've heard several theories), but I'm sort of thinking they were. If so (or even if they weren't) suppose the covies were aware of the Apocolypso spying on them?

Could they have then sent an insidious program (the flea) to infect Melissa? That could have caused her to go beserk (that clip where the ship exit in lunar orbit) and her subsequent crash and memory corruption.

Again, maybe someone's mentioned it, and that whole theory does hinge on the idea that the Pious Flea is in fact our enemy (which in my mind at least, can't be proved 100% yet), but it's just a thought I had. It would also explain why these clips are important and why melissa and the flea wouldn't want us to see them (or at least that one in clip in particular): because it reveals the source of her malfunction. *waits for theory to be torn apart*

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Kazic wrote:
Hey everyone, I've been following this for a while, but haven't really had time to devote my full attention to it. This may be trout and if so I apologize, but it' hard to keep up with all the theories.

I believe someone mentioned that Melissa could be the AI onboard the Apocolypso, and that this could be the ship that entered realspace in lunar orbit. That info was gained from the 4-pack of axons the SP gave us.

I'd like to take that theory a step further. I'm unsure as to whether Troy was alerted about the impending attack (I've heard several theories), but I'm sort of thinking they were. If so (or even if they weren't) suppose the covies were aware of the Apocolypso spying on them?

Could they have then sent an insidious program (the flea) to infect Melissa? That could have caused her to go beserk (that clip where the ship exit in lunar orbit) and her subsequent crash and memory corruption.

Again, maybe someone's mentioned it, and that whole theory does hinge on the idea that the Pious Flea is in fact our enemy (which in my mind at least, can't be proved 100% yet), but it's just a thought I had. It would also explain why these clips are important and why melissa and the flea wouldn't want us to see them (or at least that one in clip in particular): because it reveals the source of her malfunction. *waits for theory to be torn apart*


Hey Kaz, I like your thinking on this. Only question I have is how does Melissa/Apocolypso end up in *our* time? If the Apocolypso dropped into lunar orbit in our time, how does the techie report to TOM that it dropped into orbit there (in the future)? But if the Apocolypso stayed in the "future", how does Melissa end up taking over the ilovebees.com website in 2004?

[WILD SPEC]
My take: perhaps while the Apocolypso was traveling through subspace, the crew (or possibly Melissa herself) realized the infection and realized it would soon spread, so they jettisoned Melissa before she blew up the ship or something. Without an AI, the crew of the Apocolypso had to manually come out of the jump, and that's why they ended up in lunar orbit and scared TOM/DV. As for Melissa, who knows what happens to stuff jettisoned in subspace? Maybe she slipped through some hole in subspace and ended up in 2004...

Whattya think?

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 		Cool idea
MeKiwi,

Running with that Wild Spec - How does a jettisoned AI get into today's network? If it's a physical piece of hardware - it would have to have some way to interface with the network. If it's pure data why jettison it, and not just delete it? Of course there could be rules/laws to prevent the destruction of an AI. Of course they could have been trying to delete it, and as per it's original mantra sent out a copy of itself in an attempt to evade/escape/etc into another network - being in subspace cause this data - aka just energy - to get knocked back into time ... or am I getting to star trekky here?

Eh - anyway I think it is a great idea.

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 		Re: Cool idea
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MeKiwi,

Running with that Wild Spec - How does a jettisoned AI get into today's network? If it's a physical piece of hardware - it would have to have some way to interface with the network. If it's pure data why jettison it, and not just delete it? Of course there could be rules/laws to prevent the destruction of an AI. Of course they could have been trying to delete it, and as per it's original mantra sent out a copy of itself in an attempt to evade/escape/etc into another network - being in subspace cause this data - aka just energy - to get knocked back into time ... or am I getting to star trekky here?

Eh - anyway I think it is a great idea.


Hehe, no no, at least not too trekkie for me. Anyway, as for the form of Melissa, I was working under the assumption she was stored on some sort of chip (like Cortana when Keyes yanks her and gives her to the Chief) and that the crew of the Apocolypso had to yank her chip manually because of the imminent danger. Perhaps the infection blocked the computer's ability to delete her? But why jettison her if you've already yanked her? Perhaps she was still active in chip form, something like a beacon or tracking device. Wow, that gave me an idea...

[WILD SPEC]
Maybe the events happened something like this:
The Apocolypso intercepted the Covie transmission about glassing Troy. Worried that a transmission to HQ back at Earth might attract too much attention, the Apocolypso stealthily (somehow) jumped into subspace to return to Earth and deliver the message. While they are travelling through subspace, the Apocolypso's AI (Melissa) starts acting strange. The crew starts investigating and realizes that she's been infected by a tracking device/virus, the Pious Flea. All attempts to remove the flea are failures and they are getting closer and closer to Earth (maybe you can't change directions in subspace?) So, the crew yanks the card and jettisons it in the middle of subspace (ie. the middle of nowhere) hoping the Covies will think the Apocolypso never exited subspace. Without an AI, the crew of the Apocolypso has to manually exit subspace, hence the "goodbye.wav" story. And, drifting through subspace, somehow Melissa's chip falls through a temporal distortion or something and ends up on Earth in 2004.

Okay, only problem with all this (as you originally stated)... how does she get into *our* network systems??

Hmm, any ideas? Maybe someone found a chip, tried to connect it to their computer, and though they thought it was empty, Melissa slipped off the chip and onto the web? Maybe someone should ask Dana if she tried to d/l any unusual digital camera memory lately... LOL

Okay, so maybe I grabbed the scissors and started running, but what the heck, it's just wild wild spec! ^_^

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 		All you Marathon experts (of which I'm sure there's some around here) feel free to kick my ass if I'm wrong (I've never played the games I've only gone through the story page once or twice). My knowledge of the Marathon universe is not vast, but I do know that there's many theories of Halo being some sort of continuation of the Marathon series. Anyway, getting to my point:

If I remember what I read a while back correctly, I think that in Marathon Infinity Durandal realized he would cease to exist when the universe finally collapsed in on itself (or however universes end). To combat this, he figured out a way to jump between (I think an infinitie number of) parallel universes, and in that way could live forever. I think I remember reading that on the story page. So maybe Melissa found a similar way to jump, only instead of bringing her to a parallel universe, it brought her back in time (or, maybe our time 2004 is a parallel universe to UNSC time 2500s). Just running with some of this wild spec that's been put forth. Maybe she wasn't jettisoned, so to speak, but when the Flea "infected" her, she did this sort of Durandal-like "jump").
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 		How did we get here from "meaning of the clips on recipe3" which is the old guy and his receipt????

OT gang, very OT.

If you want, ask a Mod to start threads for each of the stories (although I think they are merging...).
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aliendial wrote:
How did we get here from "meaning of the clips on recipe3" which is the old guy and his receipt????

OT gang, very OT.

If you want, ask a Mod to start threads for each of the stories (although I think they are merging...).


I think we got here because the Apocalypso was mentioned in goodbye.wav. That was enough for us, apparently. But yeah, we need to move it I suppose.
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If it was the deep voiced officer making the call as the old man, then he would have to be talking while he was walking around to be able to be at the door when he entered the room (the old man is seated at the start of the call). It is clearly the deep voiced guy who enters, because of the stereo panning of the clip. However, if he was walking around while talking on the chatter thingy, why do we only hear footsteps when he enters the room?

Here's my take on the whole situation - I think it is the connection and not the actual call that is important. Sort of like phone tracing or getting a connection in order to find out someone's IP address, I think they need to get a connection to a particular military department in order to use that connection to their advantage. So one officer calls up the department pretending to be an old man to keep the connection active for as long as possible while the technician guy is trying to hack the connection and get some important data. That could be the reason for the interference in troy.wav, which the "old man" quickly blames on someone else.

The piano music, clock, and shuffling of papers is just there to add to the realism of the "old man" so that the person on the other end doesn't suspect anything. They also use the name of an officer who they know has been killed, so that nothing will actually be done about the complaint.

When the "old man" is put on hold a higher ranking officer enters to see how they are progressing. As soon as the technician confirms that they have the data they need, the call is finished quite quickly


Interesting idea, but I would like to add some spec along the same path of thought

What if the wav file is a recording of a officer listening to the telephone coversation in his office? This would explain some of the pacing around and sounds of shuffling papers that are in the background.

The coversation about the Apocolypso could be between the person listening to the recorded telephone coversation and some marine under his command.
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