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[SPEC] Meaning of the New Clips From the recipe3 Page
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GunsmithCat wrote:
jellyfish_green wrote:
1) On a re-listen, I think maybe the military officer here is merely searching the voice archives. Which is why he's able to put the recording on pause (first beep) when he sees his subordinate approaching, just before they knock to come in, and then restart it again (second beep) after getting his update.


I like that take on it. The only thing that feels wrong to me about it is that the pauses before the knock, but it still sounds pretty plausible.


OK, GSC, what about this whoppin-wild spec...

The "researcher" has a motion-detection thingy that stops his player, in case someone enters who is not authorized to hear these things. Therefore, the chatter-player stops just before we get a knock on the door... the deep voiced guy walks in, we get that conversation, and then BEEP we start again.

I'm not stuck like glue to this or anything, but I think it's obvious that this whole thing is a chatter-session being replayed from archive or something very similar. I'm just presenting an option that makes it work. Anyway, happy hunting, all...
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 		I suggest we look at the in-game facts before resorting to spec.

Compare the beeps in "hi_aiden" to the beeps in "goodbye". They are the same. It is clear that in "hi_aiden", the beeps mean "begin transmission" and "end transmission".

Unless there are really common, multipurpose beeps in CP communications (and we have no reason to think that, given that we know that the receptionist in "goodbye" hanging up on crotchety old man generates a different beeping sound), they do not signify a pause in an archived recording - they mean exactly what they meant when Aiden got an admonition to wear loose pants. In other words, the crotchety old man<->receptionist conversation is happening in real-time with the military conversation, and they share a participant.

Also, I agree that the higher ranking military person is stationary and the knock comes from the lower-ranking military person - the volume of the higher-ranking person's voice is constant, the volume of the lower-ranking person's isn't (i.e. he is at variable distance from the microphone used to make the overall recording).

My $0.02.

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 		Ok, I hear that, but there's nothing at all to stop this from being military-types listening-in to a current conversation... I'm just not thinking someone is masking their voice. While I understand what you're saying about the spec, I was just trying to show how possible it was that this was someone reviewing a chatter session, not taking part in it, covertly. I wasn't married to my spec... Anyway, I just think that we have less evidence that this is someone masking their voice, and more evidence that this is someone listening in (either after the fact i.e.-archives, or during i.e.-spying)

Anyway, that's my $.02...
(man, if I had everyone's 2 cents that they're all just carelessly throwing around here... I'd have enough to buy a jar of Auntie M's honey...)
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Extrasonic wrote:
I suggest we look at the in-game facts before resorting to spec.

Compare the beeps in "hi_aiden" to the beeps in "goodbye". They are the same. It is clear that in "hi_aiden", the beeps mean "begin transmission" and "end transmission".

Unless there are really common, multipurpose beeps in CP communications (and we have no reason to think that, given that we know that the receptionist in "goodbye" hanging up on crotchety old man generates a different beeping sound), they do not signify a pause in an archived recording - they mean exactly what they meant when Aiden got an admonition to wear loose pants. In other words, the crotchety old man<->receptionist conversation is happening in real-time with the military conversation, and they share a participant.

Also, I agree that the higher ranking military person is stationary and the knock comes from the lower-ranking military person - the volume of the higher-ranking person's voice is constant, the volume of the lower-ranking person's isn't (i.e. he is at variable distance from the microphone used to make the overall recording).

My $0.02.


I agree with you mostly, but the fact that it is the receptionist that puts him on hold is strange... you would expect the old man to do that, as he would be the one that would be found out. This confuses me, and adds to the belief that it is indeed a pre-recorded message.

[WILDSPEC] Unless, of course, the receptionist can imitate a male voice.

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Dorkmaster wrote:
Ok, I hear that, but there's nothing at all to stop this from being military-types listening-in to a current conversation... I'm just not thinking someone is masking their voice. While I understand what you're saying about the spec, I was just trying to show how possible it was that this was someone reviewing a chatter session, not taking part in it, covertly. I wasn't married to my spec... Anyway, I just think that we have less evidence that this is someone masking their voice, and more evidence that this is someone listening in (either after the fact i.e.-archives, or during i.e.-spying).


Fair enough - and although my response followed yours, it wasn't my intention to pick on your spec specifically (which is why I didn't quote it). I just think that the fact that the CP beeps in "hi_aiden" and "goodbye" are identical should factor in to more people's thinking in general. I agree with you that it's possible it could be eavesdropping, since that's not mutually exclusive with the meaning of the beeps we're given in "hi_aiden". I think that "hello" will tell us for sure if the crotchety old man call is a rouse or an intercept, so hopefully we'll know more in less than two hours.

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Atrophied wrote:
I agree with you mostly, but the fact that it is the receptionist that puts him on hold is strange... you would expect the old man to do that, as he would be the one that would be found out. This confuses me, and adds to the belief that it is indeed a pre-recorded message.


Why can't it be:

1) receptionist puts him on hold
2) he stops transmitting (maybe he sees his subordinate through a window in his office, which is why he doesn't ask who it is when he hears the knock?)
3) subordinate knocks, gives him (bad? unexpected?) news
4) he starts transmitting again
5) receptionist comes back

I agree that this makes the timing pretty coincidental, but from a meta perspective I don't think the PMs would want to subject us or their bandwidth to a lot of dead air.

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ExtraSonic wrote:
I agree that this makes the timing pretty coincidental, but from a meta perspective I don't think the PMs would want to subject us or their bandwidth to a lot of dead air.


Ok, but if you're going to rely on coincidence to avoid dead air, then why not have whoever walks in not do that, and just be in the room to begin with? But, if we're listening to someone who is listening to an archived or current chatter session, then it wouldn't matter if someone came in, since it wouldn't be an interruption of the conversation in real-time.

Those beeps could be simply "Start transmission" "End Transmission" as previously suggested. Therefore, start and end can happen when live or when just replaying... Just a thought.
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 		I listened to it over and over again and for me there is no doubt that the high-rank-guy (CO) is the one walking in and asking the lower-rank-guy (Comm) for updates. Just listen to it. You can clearly make out the position of the two guys:

Quote:

CO knocks, opens the door, stands at the door
CO: Any data yet?
CO starts walking in
Comm: A lot of chatter from the cable, sir. CO stops Looks like a ship dropped in, inside lunar orbit.
CO: A ship...
Comm: One of ours. The Apocalypso.
CO: Jeezus.
Comm: Sorry sir, I should have been more specific.


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 		I agree with mc.schroeder's view... great diagram by the way Wink

and just to add to it, the CO does not need to be stationary because the chatter coms use implanted chips, but I would think the other officer is stationary because he's monitoring some communications while they are having the conversation
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 		Just cuz I can't get enough abuse... here's my rendering of the situation. By the way, it's all to scale. You can thank me for my tireless efforts later.

Laughing

Edit-oh, and maybe I should mention that I'm totally joking here...
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 		Hoom.
Audio cues:
-piano in background: Plays throughout the segment. Doesn't stop when comm officer/CO are talking. We can conclude it is playing on their side.
-walking/shuffling: receipt.wav (t=13-17s,36-40s). The crotchety old man segment- getting his receipt, perhaps?
-shuffling papers: good-bye.wav.

Extrapolation from other .wavs:
- Parasite/Eyes: Hiro is speaking to Kamal over Chatternet. The operator sounds almost exactly the same, voice quality-wise.
- Say Something: When Kamal ghosts Sophia, we again here a little audio degrading.

So if we ARE hearing a log of the crotchety old guy, then he wasn't ghosted over Chatternet.

Now, I know it may be a bit meta to say that the crotchety old man and the CO voice actors seem to be the same- I mean, they may be using the same voice actor for two distinct characters... but I'm inclined not to think that way. The audio cues just don't seem to add up to that- for me, at least.

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Dorkmaster wrote:
ExtraSonic wrote:
I agree that this makes the timing pretty coincidental, but from a meta perspective I don't think the PMs would want to subject us or their bandwidth to a lot of dead air.


Ok, but if you're going to rely on coincidence to avoid dead air, then why not have whoever walks in not do that, and just be in the room to begin with? But, if we're listening to someone who is listening to an archived or current chatter session, then it wouldn't matter if someone came in, since it wouldn't be an interruption of the conversation in real-time.

Those beeps could be simply "Start transmission" "End Transmission" as previously suggested. Therefore, start and end can happen when live or when just replaying... Just a thought.


But I'd say there is more coincidence. It occurs at a natural point to be put on hold. The woman says "One moment sir", then puts him on hold.

If Comm Op was listening to recording and paused it for someone to enter his office, it seems far more likely that it would be in a random interval on the tape, not right after a phrase which indicates to wait.

"One moment sir" - beep (put on hold) - knock - conversation ... sounds like being put on hold to me.

If it was pre-recorded, I'd think it would be random part of recording - knock - beep (pause) - conversation.

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[WILDSPEC] Unless, of course, the receptionist can imitate a male voice.


... Or the higher ranking fellow has a window in or by his door? So he can see people comming twords his office. And that's why the beep comes before the knock?

That's not unusual, watch any cop show or movie... Heck all of the offices where I work have a window next to the door.
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Epic1980 wrote:
It really sounds to me like the deep voice guy is talking to the lady on the chatter system
gets put on hold... "beep beep"
he knocks on the other man's door, opens it
asks, "any data yet"
stops talking when the phone opperator comes back from having him on hold... "beep beep"
then finishes their conversation.


I agree with this take on it.

I also think it's interesting that guy#2 has apparently found ouot about a Navy ship dropping in via "cable chatter" rather than any other "offical" channel. This lends credence to the spec that these men are running some sort of covert operation to uncover military information.

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 		"Hello" doesn't seem to add much. Does it seem to anyone else like he doesn't "get into character" until the 2nd "Hello?"

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