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[Spec] Jan James is not a Spartan!
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thebruce
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No imp, you are wrong. IF it is true, it is very much not a definite with the plot we've been given, and there are plenty of other theories about the position of that segment. The only time anything is true 'without a doubt whatsoever' and when the raw plot we're given says "this is true without a doubt whatsoever". The ONLY connection at this moment is that people can see that it's a fitting ending... that's it. Emergency is its own act and scene, just as the rest of the axons make up. There is nothing that says emergency specifically goes anywhere within the acts and scenes we have. It is simply speculation at the current time.
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improvius wrote:

It ended perfectly. All of the evidence was destroyed, and nobody got hurt. James did it, no doubt whatsoever.


I fail to see how this clinches that James did it. I certainly agree that James instigated it. But, James's involvement in the execution is still in doubt.

After all, James might've simply called one of his buds at ONI or somewhere else, and simply said, "I have a problem. I need you to destroy some lab results. I don't want this to become a major issue, so no deaths. Do whatever you need to."

In which case, James definitely DID NOT do it. But he definitely CAUSED it. So, really, we don't know James level of involvement in the misadventure.

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I don't necessarily claim that J squared is her biological father, when I said "Her skills can be credited to this", I mostly meant that he taught her these things an not that she genetically inherited superhuman traits. So far she hasn't done anything so extraordiary that it could not be performed by a normal human being with some instruction. I agree that J squared has something to do with the military (and its a secret due to his blank records courtesy of Durga) and that Jan knows about/is involved with it. Well have to wait for more "secret roads" to be discovered by the Princess to find out more. Rolling Eyes
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Cu Roi
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Please research.

Once again, I have to say that chaotic_mind is correct...

...at least on the libido point.

Supressed sexual drive was a side effect. The is no proof that any Spartan II ever suffered from it. In fact sexual drive is linked to aggression. To supress it would be to supress a vital factor valued in soldiers. Keep in mind that bi-sexuality was encouraged in the Spartans of history. They were encouraged to have sexual relations within thier ranks.

While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that according to the text of the books we are lead to believe that the "II" designation was a nod to the original greek Spartans. There was no Spartan I program. Let it go.

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*Ahem*

The Flood wrote:
In order to deal with increasing civil turmoil the Colonial Military Administration had secretly launched Project ORION back in 2491. The purpose of the program was to develop supersoldiers, code-named "Spartans," who would recieve special training and physical augmentation.
The initial effort was successful, and in 2517 a new group of Spartans, the II-series, had been selected as the next generation of super-soldiers.


So, you see, it's not as if there is no mention in the book of the first Spartans. This comes from The Flood, pg. 16, if you want to check.

Still, since I seem to be ruffling some feathers, I think I should add a disclaimer. The "Jan as Spartan" idea is just that - an IDEA. There is no inherent disproof of it (that I've seen yet) or inherent proof. So, I'm not ready to commit children to the idea, either way.

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I guess I don't understand why everyone is so concentrated on whether or not a Spartan could do the deed. How did the original Spartans come about, immaculate conception? Aliens? No, they were genetically engineered/test tube babies. Although I'm not going to say Jan's definitely a Spartan, it does make sense.

She's described as being very fast and strong, she can fight well, she jumps off a three story building and gets up unharmed, and she possesses a high level of intelligence. Yeah, that sounds like your average pretty girl to me alright.

Now if she were a top secret project, what better way to hide her than making her appear to be James' daughter? Who would suspect the pretty girl in homeroom? To add to the camoflauge, they don't even tell her about her secret (They would probably end up telling her when she's mature enough to understand and accept it.) which accounts for her being more than willing to take the pee test.

I don't know, I have a cold and my heads stuffed up, but even in this state it seems pretty clear to me that Jan is way more than meets the eye, and the only in-game/haloverse explanations at this point are A) She's part of the Spartan I, II, or III program or B) She's part of the super-soldier program. If it walks like a duck...
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JimmyJames wrote:
No, they were genetically engineered/test tube babies.

I am sure that someone who has read the books will be able to verify this, but elsewhere it has been stated (multiple sources) that they are kidnapped for use in the program due to thier naturally occuring genetic superiority.

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The SPARTAN II's were definitely not Test Tube babies. They were kidnapped from their families at the age of 6, replaced by flawed clones that would die quickly from a convenient defect, and then trained. Genetic traits were looked at when selecting them, but they weren't created in a lab.


EDIT: Sources: All three books mention this in passing, and it is explored in GREAT detail in The Fall of Reach.

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Captain Ferrell wrote:
So far she hasn't done anything so extraordiary that it could not be performed by a normal human being with some instruction.


How many people have you seen jump off a 3 story building? I don't care what training you have, that's not right.


Also, Spartans can have sex, but only with their inbedded intelligence.

Cortana and Master Chief had mind sex.
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I have yet to see evidence that Jan does or does not have a suppressed sex drive. If anything, she doesn't care for any of the guys in her school (NOT PUBLIC HIGHSCHOOL, military brat school from what I can tell) so she probably is not interested in sex, or does not find them appealing to her. What is the evidence to show her as sexual? Her coy tone with the MP who arrested her? That could be faked, she knows she is sexually attractive and uses it as a way to manipulate people, but maybe not to gain sexual intimacy, if that is true, then her sex drive could be reduced (or again, since she could be of such superior DNA than other people, she could A) be considered not a human at all and/or B) only find herself attracted to a similar person, ie another guinea pig like herself).

To deny Jan as a super soldier, the SPARTANs or their like, denies the basis for why it is that J^2 wants to destroy her DNA samples, denies how it is she can make such an amazing jump, HIDE ON THE CEILING, in general break into a military compound, and still only be a 17 year old girl.

As i've said before, I am guessing that Jan could be a character we will be introduced to (and maybe able to play) in Halo 2. And this is her backstory.

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Motoss wrote:
The SPARTAN II's were definitely not Test Tube babies. They were kidnapped from their families at the age of 6, replaced by flawed clones that would die quickly from a convenient defect, and then trained.


Well, then her name pretty much confirms it, since that's how they originally got janissaries.

"The first janissary units comprised war captives and slaves. After the 1380s Sultan Selim I filled their ranks with the results of taxation in human form called devshirmeh. The sultan's men would conscript a number of non-Muslim, usually Christian, boys – at first at random, later by strict selection – and take them to be trained."

Case closed in my book.

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But it seems unlikely that Janisarry IS a SPARTAN-II. Whatever else happened with the original Project ORION Spartans, and if Colonel Ackerson's project is SPARTAN-III (which I doubt, but other people lend credence to, YMMV) I find it highly improbable that Jan could possibly be a SPARTAN-II.

Let alone a SPARTAN-II that has no knowledge of the other Spartans, considering they had been raised together since the age of six.

So, no, I don't think the case is closed. As Captain Ferrell said, we'll have to wait for more roads before ANYTHING can be completely confirmed.

Luke P.

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mrzarquon wrote:
I have yet to see evidence that Jan does or does not have a suppressed sex drive.


I'm pretty sure all the Spartan/sex drive arguments are more relevant to James, not Jan...
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Crash
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we're not talking about James being a spartan and she being his daughter and having genetically passed down traits are we?

I thought we determined that she was lying when she called James her "dad"

...so maybe she was just raised by spartans?

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Congratulations, welcome to the beginning of the thread! Smile

Let's just say she's 'special' and leave it at that? *grin*
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