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[Spec] Jan James is not a Spartan!
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Scumbag
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 		Smile

Like I said, it ain't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things... just one of personal pet peeves. No harm, no foul Smile
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Scumbag wrote:
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Like I said, it ain't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things... just one of personal pet peeves. No harm, no foul Smile


If it is a personal pet peeve then keep it to yourself, no need to rail on Ceantari over something that you might find annoying.

From my perspective I found that she was meerly using it as a highlighting method to point out key words in the speculation.

Ceantari,

Good idea but from my perspective the audio files seem to be happening before the covenant are on Earth's doorstep, seemingly early in the Covenant war if not before it. Jersey seems to have known James James for awhile, but we know from the books that Colonel Ackerson has not been an acting civilian during the course of the war and even up until the Covenant are on Earths doorstep. The time line just does not fit. At least not from my perspective.

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The fact that she goes to public highschool alone should be enough to stop all further thought on that subject.


Unless, of course, there's ample evidence in both the Halo mythos as well as common sense that being able to take 'public highschoolers' and turn them into Spartans would be quite an interesting development.

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My point on that was SPARTAN II's began training at around 6. Although it is possible that earlier SPARTANS (which we would surely be dealing with as these events pre date the SPARTAN II program) were trained differently. However the existance of SPARTAN I's is questionable, some say that there were no SPARTAN I's as a nodd to the original ones of ancient times, but in a quote I recently read taken out of one of the books, they speak of earlier versions before the SPARTAN II's.
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 		I'm a little confused. I was referring to possible 'Spartan 3's or later versions of the Spartan / Ackerson Soldiers. Same abilities as the MC, for example, but doesn't require the isolation and extreme military training.
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 		Well, then, if that's the case...

* Why does Jan have superhuman abilities like high leaps, able to survive a three-story fall, and able to plan fast?
* If what she does will effect everyone that she does/doesn't know, what is she?
* Is Jan a real daughter to J^2 or is he portraying a parental guardian?
* Are there others like "Jan" that we don't know about, or is she the "prototype"?
* Colonel James Ackerson is hiding a huge secret having to do with a "backup plan for the Spartan program"; what is it?
* CPO Mendez was branded MIA, is he acutally dead or alive... somewhere?
* Colonel James Ackerson is a suspicious man and hiding a secret; J^2 (James James) is a suspicious man with false identification and hiding a secret. Are those a coincidence?
* So, what's S-III - the new Spartan-III program, or ONI Section Three, a branch Colonel Ackerson controls?
* Since there were info on all the previous Spartans in the folder S-III, does that have an revelance to the current situation?

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 		My first thought about the Jan clips.
When I listened to all of the Jan clips was this has gotta be Ackerson's new plan. Really it makes sense, he want to create supersoldiers and hated the Spartans b/c the put his project on the backburner b/c of them. But that doesn't mean no work was being done. Jan is maybe a new type of genetically enhanced soldiers. The flood were a huge twist of Halo, maybe the huge twist of Halo 2 is going to involve another group of human supersoldiers or somthing. Anyways my first reaction was Ackerson, not a Spartan when I heard the Jan clips, which I think a lot of you concluded as well.

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 		First post, just wanted to point out that a Janissary was / is a soldier in the Turkish army.

Check this link out
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Janissary

Also, remember that Sparta was a warrior state in Greece.

The next jump is that Greece and Turkey pretty much hate each other.

So if the name is to be believed Jan is in fact some sort of soldier, but I don't think she is a Spartan, I think she is a Janissary, a new breed.

Take that for what you will.

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Why does Jan have superhuman abilities like high leaps, able to survive a three-story fall, and able to plan fast?


I call this sorta thing the Spiderman effect - if you've got MC-like abilities, it wouldn't be a stretch to do the things you list. Jan hid on the ceiling to avoid capture. We can postulate that, given she's had these powers for a decent enough long of time, it wouldn't be a case of 'planning fast' - it would be a case of an instinct of sorts.

I can't explain the nature of a Possible Spartan Three. All I know is that if I woke up tomorrow and had the same powers, within a couple months things I'd do would amaze people. To me, it'd just be something I do.

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* If what she does will effect everyone that she does/doesn't know, what is she?
* Is Jan a real daughter to J^2 or is he portraying a parental guardian?
* Are there others like "Jan" that we don't know about, or is she the "prototype"?


All valid questions. Using Jan = Advanced Spartan idea, it would make sense if she's a Sleeper of sorts.

Remember that in Marathon, 9 cyborgs similar to the main character lived on the Tau Ceti colony, and nobody knew they were cyborgs until they singlehandedly held back the first Pfhor invasion.

The same sort of thing can be applied to Jan. One of many Advanced Spartan 3, she knows she's eventually going to have to Do Something Big, but for now she's just supposed to lay low until then. Jan's father may simply be her Cover Father.

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Colonel James Ackerson is hiding a huge secret having to do with a "backup plan for the Spartan program"; what is it?


If you had read the books, you'd have read the sections involving Ackerton's personal attempt at (for lack of a better word) Super Soldiers. Perhaps his idea focused less on the military aspect, and more on making strong-ass soldiers which could meld effortlessly into the general community.

A 17 year old that could jump from a 30 story building, hide on ceilings to avoid capture, etc. You wouldn't have to train her in the traditional methods, because her skills would inevitably get her into situations where those skills were required to survive. If the S3s survive their 'training', great. If they die, then you trash the evidence and thank God you pruned out the weak ones.

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So, what's S-III - the new Spartan-III program, or ONI Section Three, a branch Colonel Ackerson controls?


Ackerson wouldn't work on the Spartan 3 program proper. No, odds are he simply used the name.

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Since there were info on all the previous Spartans in the folder S-III, does that have an revelance to the current situation?


ILB? I see one of two options. One, the axon stories will connect to the Main Plot (the Operator stuff), or its merely backstory that won't be in the game itself.
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A 17 year old that could jump from a 30 story building

Just pointing out that the building was three stories high not thirty. Even with toughend bones a thirty story drop would cause internal damage to a Spartan.

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 		chrispolitz:

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Discussions of what a janissary is happened within minutes of getting the first clip on TUESDAY.

You're new, so you get a pass on the trout, but the rest of the forum members may not be so tolerant. So be prepared!
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chrispolitz:

Discussions of what a janissary is happened within minutes of getting the first clip on TUESDAY.

I will appeal for a minor de-troutification here... one of the points Chris raised was indeed new. No one had tied the historical rivalry between Greece (Spartans) and Turkey/Persia (Janissaries) to the rivalry between Project ORION and Col. Ackerson's S-III project.

It would be interesting if Jan was indeed the product of a rival program to the SPARTANs. We do need more information in order to prove it, though.

-- Steve thinks that this may be a fruitful line of investigation, if for no other reason than ruling it out conclusively will refocus a lot of attention elsewhere.
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Anton P. Nym wrote:
aliendial wrote:
chrispolitz:

Discussions of what a janissary is happened within minutes of getting the first clip on TUESDAY.

I will appeal for a minor de-troutification here... one of the points Chris raised was indeed new. No one had tied the historical rivalry between Greece (Spartans) and Turkey/Persia (Janissaries) to the rivalry between Project ORION and Col. Ackerson's S-III project.

It would be interesting if Jan was indeed the product of a rival program to the SPARTANs. We do need more information in order to prove it, though.

-- Steve thinks that this may be a fruitful line of investigation, if for no other reason than ruling it out conclusively will refocus a lot of attention elsewhere.


Agreed, it seems pretty telling. And we don't really have to jump to Spartan-III's or Ackerson. We don't really know how many side projects there might be. At the least though, a teenage girl with enhanced abilities being kept secret by the military who has been name "Soldier" by someone is definitely glaring...

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 		perhaps the Janisairy project uses genetic manipulation and drugs to create supersoldiers (a la Captain America) instead of armor and training like the Spartans... the top brass could have funded both independantly without informing the other project, then chose the "winner" after both were complete

(and i don't mean col Ackerson's Spartan III project, this would be a completely different deal)
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perhaps the Janisairy project uses genetic manipulation and drugs to create supersoldiers (a la Captain America) instead of armor and training like the Spartans... the top brass could have funded both independantly without informing the other project, then chose the "winner" after both were complete

(and i don't mean col Ackerson's Spartan III project, this would be a completely different deal)


The SPARTAN IIs weren't just trained specially and given armour. They were biologically manipulated and heavily drugged.

The Fall of Reach wrote:

1. Carbide ceramic ossification: advanced material grafting onto skeletal structures. [snip]
2. Muscular enhancement injections: protein complex is injected intramuscularly to increase tissue density and decrease lactose recovery time. [snip]
3. Catalytic thyroid implant: platinum pellet containing human growth hormone catalyst is implanted in the thyroid to boost growth of skeletal and muscle tissues. [snip]
4. Occipital cappilary reversal: submergence and boosted blood vessel flow beneath the rods and cones of subjects retina. [snip]
5. Superconducting fibrification of neural dendrites: alteration of bioelectrical nerve transduction to shielded electronic transduction. [snip]


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 		hmm.... ok, skip the supper-soldier-serum drug bit then... doesn't look like the S2's had any GENETIC manipulation though

could Jan be merely(?) genetically manipulated?
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