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[WILD SPEC] The axons take place before the Covenant war.
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[WILD SPEC] The axons take place before the Covenant war.

I'm not entirely sure, but my sense of the tone and the details of the vignettes seems to say to me before the War.

Coral is a colony world 42 light years away. Either way, it's a colony world. And those are very threatened in the Covenant war. With Sophia and Kamal talking about their home planet, I'm sure it would've come up. Still, they could be trying to avoid mentions.

I also reference Jan's mention of terrorists. Remembering the tension between Earth and some of it's colonies before the Covenant war, I submit that the terrorists are supporters of the colonies.

Further, Jan seems to me to be some sort of superwarrior project. The only one of those I know of are the SPARTAN-II's, and Colonel Ackerson's competing project. And, to be honest, it isn't clear if Colonel Ackerson's side project is supersoldiers.

Jan might be from the original SPARTAN project. It seems odd for her to be so free if she was the SPARTAN-II.

Still, I get the sense that we have a lot to learn. It's like the story of the axons is some deep ocean, and we've found a few fish. And, deeper down, weird echoes that we can neither confirm or identify as possiblities.

Anyway, with that tangetial metaphor out of the way, what does everyone think of this wild idea.

Luke P.

:Apologize in advance for trouting. Tough to keep up with the forums these days.

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I can't think of anything that would debunk this theory right off. It seems plausible.

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Maybe she's not even a SPARTAN I... Maybe she's from the competing project. (Anybody know why the Spartans were chosen over the other program?) Something about her just screams "prototype" to me... I don't know why.
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HitsHerMark wrote:
Maybe she's not even a SPARTAN I... Maybe she's from the competing project. (Anybody know why the Spartans were chosen over the other program?) Something about her just screams "prototype" to me... I don't know why.

I can't remember the reason TBH... However after the final test with teh Mjolnir armour where by MC had to go through an assault course that was rigged and he succeeded we do know that after this Halsey got the go ahead for the next group of Spartans.

Ackerson project was never mentioned, and the liklhood of it being supersoldiers is slim TBH. However he was also politically "damaged" breifly by Cortana, and that would also frig him up.

As for the original post, I think there's a very real possibility this is correct. I actually think there's a good chance Jan is a Spartan II.
Don't forget, the Spartans didn't get the armour right away. After the training and augmentation processes they looked like normal humans, althoguh they were genetically modified in various ways, but those ways were to increase response time, physical strength etc, but they passed for human, as proven in book one when John (The Chief) and his team infiltrated that pirate base on the asteroid.

Couple this with the fact that she survived a three story jump without (seemingly) so much as a scratch, and was still mentally calm enough to beat the PQI test... add all that up and you've got some interesting spec for sure.

We could be looking at Jan as a Spartan from about 10-20 years prior to the events of Halo 1.

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Lutzie wrote:
We could be looking at Jan as a Spartan from about 10-20 years prior to the events of Halo 1.


Problem is that there is only one year between their "graduation" and their "armor". And little evidence that they would be hiding on Earth during that time.

And Jan doesn't seem like a full grown soldier. She isn't even held responsible for her misconduct.

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GunsmithCat wrote:
Lutzie wrote:
We could be looking at Jan as a Spartan from about 10-20 years prior to the events of Halo 1.


Problem is that there is only one year between their "graduation" and their "armor". And little evidence that they would be hiding on Earth during that time.

And Jan doesn't seem like a full grown soldier. She isn't even held responsible for her misconduct.
Not earth, at least I don't think so. I still say either
a) She's a spartan 3 except ONI has changed it's tactics in training, or maybe even a new type of military personell (infiltration, or spy?)

b) she is the person who made the military want to get the spartan project, she was a top spartan (like MC)

c) or as stated one of the original prototypes.

I fefuse to believe she's a spartan II, simpply because she would've had more mention in the books, and who would take her in? it seems some kind of military dude. But come on if she was a spartan 2 and could do all those things and didn't die from the drugs, implants and what-not. Do you really think the'd let her go? btw spartans are also smart, just not geniuses (unless you count the "defects")
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HitsHerMark wrote:
Maybe she's not even a SPARTAN I... Maybe she's from the competing project. (Anybody know why the Spartans were chosen over the other program?) Something about her just screams "prototype" to me... I don't know why.


According to HALO: The Fall Of REACH, Dr Halsey's SPARTAN-II project was several times more effective than Col. Ackerson's was (although what his was wasn't made clear).

Ackerson, being pretty pissed (and wanting to prove that Halsey's pet project wasn't all that good either), tried to set the Master Chief (and his AI-enhanced Mjolnir II power armor) up to fail, using live ammunition, a platoon of Marines, a field of Lotus antitank mines, and a Skyhawk jet armed with Scorpion antitank missiles.

If it hadn't been for Cortana helping MC calculate precisely when to slap the missile aside, Halsey's pet project would likely have been scrubbed, the Chief would have been blasted to smithereens, and the war against the Covenant would have been over in weeks, with the humans placing second in a two-army fight.
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Also, there is not a single mention of the Covenant or a war. While absence surely isn't proof, it seems odd that with a powerful violent race hell bent on mankind's destruction, it doesn't come up once.

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GunsmithCat wrote:
Also, there is not a single mention of the Covenant or a war. While absence surely isn't proof, it seems odd that with a powerful violent race hell bent on mankind's destruction, it doesn't come up once.
COuld be the public is uner the impression that the war is going fine, they're winning, and there's nothing to worry about. Though not the situation, but imagine the rebel and panic that would happen? The military would have to fight the covenant and civilians if they knew how bad it was. So as a government they decided to keep it as calm as possible. So that's why people aren't trying to get laided 24/7, skipping school, enjoy life to it's fullest, stealing everything they want, because if you know your gonna die what would you do? go with the major public and not be blammed for any and all of your actions.
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My biggest issue with Jan being a SPARTAN is that the children were under military care, on military bases, all the time after they were taken; but then, I don't have any other theories.

Regardless this doesn't have to be before the war. It just has to be before Halo 2. Remember that the humans were pretty convinced that the Covenant wouldn't get to Earth after they instituted the Cole Protocol.
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Theorizer wrote:
GunsmithCat wrote:
Also, there is not a single mention of the Covenant or a war. While absence surely isn't proof, it seems odd that with a powerful violent race hell bent on mankind's destruction, it doesn't come up once.
COuld be the public is uner the impression that the war is going fine, they're winning, and there's nothing to worry about. Though not the situation, but imagine the rebel and panic that would happen? The military would have to fight the covenant and civilians if they knew how bad it was. So as a government they decided to keep it as calm as possible. So that's why people aren't trying to get laided 24/7, skipping school, enjoy life to it's fullest, stealing everything they want, because if you know your gonna die what would you do? go with the major public and not be blammed for any and all of your actions.


Possibly. But I'm not sure the war ever really goes in our favor. The outer colonies get massacred. ONI never reports a SPARTAN-II death to keep up morale.

definitely possible though. Or people are just in denial. Seems odd though.

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GunsmithCat wrote:

And Jan doesn't seem like a full grown soldier. She isn't even held responsible for her misconduct.


I think this is a good point, especially if you look at the timeline for John/MC. He entered the SPARTAN program as a six-year old in 2517; in 2525 he led the SPARTANS on the mission to that asteroid, meaning he was only around 14. It doesn't make sense (if Jan and MC are contemporaries) that Jan is 17 and still that wild, as GunsmithCat says.

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This WHOLE ARG is set before the covenant invasion on Earth. I think what we are getting here is what is happening on Earth before the invasion. I dont even think any of these characters will show up in Halo 2. Maybe we can think of this like the Enter The Matrix video game. You dont have to participate to enjoy Halo 2, but if you know the story your in on something most people are not.

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Can the events in the WAV's be taking place AFTER Halo2?

Quoting from the Phase III monologues:

"I am looking for the truth. I saw it once, before the Apocalypse. I wish I could remember more about that"

In the Halo 2 teaser / trailer (not the theatrical one), there is audio of tactical communications between and Admiral (in orbit) and a General (on the ground). The General says something like "Down here, it's the God Damn Apocalypse!" There is a view from space where you can see dozens of nuclear or plasma detonations all over the surface of the earth.

So could it be that this Apocalypse Melissa remembers is actually the covenant offensive (which we can assume is unsuccessful because the Master Chief will most certainly kick their fanatic butt back into the realm of unrepenting crapness), and the events in the .wav files take place in a politically charged post Halo 2 universe were Spartans are the vietnam-vets / cold war black ops of their time? Remember part of the reason the covenant have gained so much ground is that UNSC High Command is a dysfunctional, backstabbing, ass covering, almost corrupt organization; so it makes sense that in a new touchy feely world there would be a cover up of what really happened.

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Well, the Apocalypse references started occuring during phase three, and were in my mind symptoms of Melissa's Flea infection. If that's so, why would the Flea cause Melissa to refer to the fall of Earth as the Apocalypse. Wouldn't that be a victory for the Covenant?

Luke P,

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