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[SPEC] Axons occur at the same time during the Cov war -long

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scibtag
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[SPEC] Axons occur at the same time during the Cov war -long

This is a pretty long post that I think ties up a bunch of loose ends in a single theory. There are still a lot of unanswered questions, however, the biggest of which is probably how the Operator and these recordings have arrived in our time. I also believe I discovered how ghosting works. So without further ado:

The axons from links.html and the ones from recipe3.html are from the same time period during the Covenant war. They are all synchronized on the interrupt in computers and other electronics in each of the plotlines. This interruption occured soon after the Apocalypso came back into realspace in Earth's orbit. It is the result of an AI from the Apocalypso infiltrating the Earth's computer net. The recordings all take place on Earth.

The recordings from links.html are all formed from ghosts of people. The dialogue has already demonstrated that practically anything anyone is saying on Earth can be recorded. This would seem to be the main point of the Kamal story in the first update. In the first update each plotline seemed to express one specific point it wanted to convey. The Jan one demonstrated she was somehow geneticly enhanced and the Jersey one demonstrated the existence of the strange AI, Durga. Because the recordings are formed from ghosts of people this means that the recorder must have been present at the same time they were said.

It would appear that after picking up the artifact, described in Melissa's previous memories, the ship proceeded to jump into slipspace, heading towards Earth. The ship made it to Earth, however it seems that there was something strange about the jump. In goodbye.wav, we are told "[The Apocalypso] dropped in, inside of lunar orbit." In the books, Human technology appears too imprecise to make a jump directly into such a close orbit around a planet. When they entered orbit around the planet some AI from the ship activated. It entered the planet's computer net and infected everything.

When the AI first entered Jersey's computer, Jeannie says "Foreign personality detected." The AI started rewriting the computer personal assistant program that was running. It rewrote the program with its core programming, "survive evade resist escape". This caused Durga, the new personality, to form. Durga is essentially the personal assistant, with all the infiltration capabilities of the AI. This is how it is able to gather information from anywhere in Earth's computer net without leaving a trace, it has already modified all the sytems to allow access.

Durga cannot look at herself. She describes this as being reflected. This is most likely a countermeasure designed into the AI code. The AI's code is acting like Durga's unconcious and instincts. She can use its abilities but not access it directly. The personal assistant code has become her consciousness and personality. The personal assistant is described as being able to be "reconditioned". This is the process the AI code activated that created the new personality.

Whereas the first recordings are from the Operator and are formed from ghosts of people, the ones from recipe3.html are from the Sleeping Princess and are a tap of a single chatter circuit. This is demonstrated by the fact that when the man is put on hold, it switches over to a ghost of a random person. This also describes the method behind ghosting. They are called ghosts because they are formed from tapping a chatter line and then disconnecting it. The circuit is no longer carrying a real signal, but it is somehow kept alive by the tap. It is essentially the "ghost" of the phone call. This ghost gets linked to the chatter of a person and they can be monitored. The beep tones that occurs around the break in the conversation in goodbye.wav are the same as those found in the hi_aiden.wav when he uses a ghost to allow Sophia to talk to Aiden.

The nature of the Sleeping Princess's axon recordings, compared to those from the Operator, is similar to her communications through the web site. The Operator was able to take over and modify the main web pages, while the Princess must resort to talking through back alleys such as the 404 page. Her capablities are similar to the Operator's, but greatly restricted. In the recordings, whoever makes the ones the Operator gives us can apparently record from anywhere, tracking individual people. The Sleeping Princess, however, has only reported from a lone chatter circuit that recorded one phone call and one random ghost. She once again has similar abilities to the Operator, but is greatly restricted in how much she can access and manipulate.

The man talking in recipe3.html is describing a grievance over being evaced from Troy. In the earlier memories from Mellisa while she was on the ship, Lt. Sorenson and Capt. Green are describing intel received stating that Troy is going to be glassed soon. They are arguing about whether an evac should be ordered. This places the recordings after that point and during the Covenant war.

There is also a lot of talk about people wanting to come to Earth, despite the overcrowding. This is probably because Earth is viewed as a safe location from the Covenant. They want to be protected from the Covenant, however there is not enough room for all the people who want to move there. Immigration has been locked down as a result. In the newest axon updates, Kamal says "If I work for you, you'll see about getting my family here." He doesn't want to work for Aiden, however he is willing to do it just to get them to Earth. This is because he knows it is a matter of their safety.

All together this shows that the axons are all from one time period that occured while the Apocalypso was in orbit around Earth. It is unknown how the ship, or at least these recordings, were later able to travel back in time to the ilovebees.com website.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:04 pm

cidkill99
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Actually, Sleeping Princess didn't record any of the .wavs on recipie.html. She found out about those axons by spying on the queen, and then hinted to us where they were. It was the PF that directed the queen to make those axons.

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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:28 pm

scibtag
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Joined: 29 Aug 2004
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Bit of confusion

When I say the Sleeping Princess' axon recordings I mean the ones she pointed out to us. We don't know, right now, who recorded any of these. But the ones on links.html were pointed out to us by the Operator and the ones from recipe3.html were pointed out to us by the Sleeping Princess.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:22 pm

Bubba Wilkins
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The axons from links.html and the ones from recipe3.html are from the same time period during the Covenant war. They are all synchronized on the interrupt in computers and other electronics in each of the plotlines. This interruption occured soon after the Apocalypso came back into realspace in Earth's orbit. It is the result of an AI from the Apocalypso infiltrating the Earth's computer net. The recordings all take place on Earth.

The wav's are linked somewhat, but there was no synchronizing effect. I haven't decided how Durga came to land on that particular computer, but she was the one responsible for the power outage which gained her control of the security system to allow Jersey to see Jan. The four additional wavs from receipe3 are linked via the website, but no incident within them coincides with the others (yet).

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The recordings from links.html are all formed from ghosts of people. The dialogue has already demonstrated that practically anything anyone is saying on Earth can be recorded. This would seem to be the main point of the Kamal story in the first update. In the first update each plotline seemed to express one specific point it wanted to convey. The Jan one demonstrated she was somehow geneticly enhanced and the Jersey one demonstrated the existence of the strange AI, Durga. Because the recordings are formed from ghosts of people this means that the recorder must have been present at the same time they were said.

In order for the recordings to be "ghosts", someone would have to initialize them prior to the events taking place. Durga's emergence on Jersey's system couldn't have been ghosted be hereself. She wasn't really concious at that point. Jersey wouldn't ghost himself in his own house. Khamal wouldn't have a reason to ghost Jersey. For this theory to work, someone we haven't been introduced to yet must have been monitoring all these characters. Not likely.

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It would appear that after picking up the artifact, described in Melissa's previous memories, the ship proceeded to jump into slipspace, heading towards Earth. The ship made it to Earth, however it seems that there was something strange about the jump. In goodbye.wav, we are told "[The Apocalypso] dropped in, inside of lunar orbit." In the books, Human technology appears too imprecise to make a jump directly into such a close orbit around a planet. When they entered orbit around the planet some AI from the ship activated. It entered the planet's computer net and infected everything.

If I remember correctly, the crystal reacts to radiation. It in turn effects magnetic fields and other forces in slip-space which caused the chaos that was the slip-space battle. There wasn't any mention of "time travel". Human technology "was" too imprecise, but covenant technology is not. Cortana is also now capable of making more precise jumps as a result of pirating that covey ship. If she were able to, so may another AI, or maybe it was passed along by Cortana?!?!? So we have three possible sources of a controlled slip space jump.

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When the AI first entered Jersey's computer, Jeannie says "Foreign personality detected." The AI started rewriting the computer personal assistant program that was running. It rewrote the program with its core programming, "survive evade resist escape". This caused Durga, the new personality, to form. Durga is essentially the personal assistant, with all the infiltration capabilities of the AI. This is how it is able to gather information from anywhere in Earth's computer net without leaving a trace, it has already modified all the sytems to allow access.

Durga was in her full form prior to the deletion of the Jeanie Personal Assistant. She wasn't "awake" but she didn't assmilate the existing software. She anihlated it and then assumed control of all the hardware ie "wet the system".

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Whereas the first recordings are from the Operator and are formed from ghosts of people, the ones from recipe3.html are from the Sleeping Princess and are a tap of a single chatter circuit. This is demonstrated by the fact that when the man is put on hold, it switches over to a ghost of a random person. This also describes the method behind ghosting. They are called ghosts because they are formed from tapping a chatter line and then disconnecting it. The circuit is no longer carrying a real signal, but it is somehow kept alive by the tap. It is essentially the "ghost" of the phone call. This ghost gets linked to the chatter of a person and they can be monitored. The beep tones that occurs around the break in the conversation in goodbye.wav are the same as those found in the hi_aiden.wav when he uses a ghost to allow Sophia to talk to Aiden.

Recipe3 sounds like one guy trying to find out information by pretending to be somebody else on the telephone. Possibly the location of this Jan Adams, who would presumably have those "family papers". Those tones are the ones for a chaternet phone call.

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The nature of the Sleeping Princess's axon recordings, compared to those from the Operator, is similar to her communications through the web site. The Operator was able to take over and modify the main web pages, while the Princess must resort to talking through back alleys such as the 404 page. Her capablities are similar to the Operator's, but greatly restricted. In the recordings, whoever makes the ones the Operator gives us can apparently record from anywhere, tracking individual people. The Sleeping Princess, however, has only reported from a lone chatter circuit that recorded one phone call and one random ghost. She once again has similar abilities to the Operator, but is greatly restricted in how much she can access and manipulate.

The conversation was presented for a reason so it is unlikely some random recording. I do like the postulation that the princess is the one presenting the information....

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There is also a lot of talk about people wanting to come to Earth, despite the overcrowding. This is probably because Earth is viewed as a safe location from the Covenant. They want to be protected from the Covenant, however there is not enough room for all the people who want to move there. Immigration has been locked down as a result. In the newest axon updates, Kamal says "If I work for you, you'll see about getting my family here." He doesn't want to work for Aiden, however he is willing to do it just to get them to Earth. This is because he knows it is a matter of their safety.

Unlikely the case as both Kamal's and Sopihie's mothers are more concerned with arranging "blind" dates 40 something light years away then about an impending invasion/planet glassing.

We know most of the axons are from the same time period. Its possible that some of them are not. I also do not buy into the whole time travel business. We could for instance say that the purposes of this little adventure, the internet is the "chatternet".

A very well thought out speculation, even if I don't agree with most of it. Who knows, we both could be way off base.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:26 pm

Mazian
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Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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scibtag,

A well thought out post, I differ on two speculations:

scibtag wrote:

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Whereas the first recordings are from the Operator and are formed from ghosts of people, the ones from recipe3.html are from the Sleeping Princess and are a tap of a single chatter circuit. This is demonstrated by the fact that when the man is put on hold, it switches over to a ghost of a random person...
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I disagree. I think it more likely that the source of all of these tap records is the same, although I'm willing to concede that perhaps SP was responsible for absconding with the clips in recipe3.html and brought them to our attention. Of course, if they were released specially, as this theory suggests, then I think it makes the arrival of the Apocalypso even more critical to the ILB storyline.

scibtag wrote:

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All together this shows that the axons are all from one time period that occured while the Apocalypso was in orbit around Earth. It is unknown how the ship, or at least these recordings, were later able to travel back in time to the ilovebees.com website.

I agree with Bubba Wilkins when he said

Bubba Wilkins wrote:

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We know most of the axons are from the same time period. Its possible that some of them are not. I also do not buy into the whole time travel business. We could for instance say that the purposes of this little adventure, the internet is the "chatternet".
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To Bubba;

Bubba Wilkins wrote:

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Unlikely the case as both Kamal's and Sopihie's mothers are more concerned with arranging "blind" dates 40 something light years away then about an impending invasion/planet glassing.
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I disagree with this analysis. From the Halo book series, it was made clear that the civilian population is largely unaware of the degree to which humanity is losing the war. I wish I had the books present... Confused

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:48 pm

scibtag
Boot

Joined: 29 Aug 2004
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Someone is active before Durga becomes conscious, the AI that she is formed from. Durga says "There were two of them [Navy sentinel's] trying to get past your security-bot though" (jersey.wav). Even before she became Durga the AI was actively infiltrating computers; Jersey's for sure and I believe a number of others. Durga is not aware of why she wants to investigate the things she does, such as Kamal. This is because it is the AI that she is formed from that is investigating before Durga even becomes conscious. I believe it was an accidental interaction between the AI and the personal assistant that was running that made Durga conscious and resulted in her personality.

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I don't know why you chose to mention time travel there, I never implied the jump had anything to do with it. While Covenant technology would be capable of such a jump, human technology is not at the time of First Strike. This jump either occurs before or soon after the events of that book, because we know that soon after those events Earth is invaded by the Covenant and that hasn't happened yet in the clips. This doesn't give humans enough time to upgrade their slipspace engines for such precision. Even though Cortana was able to adapt and even improve the Covenant slipspace ability, she still depended on the advanced technology in the Covenant ship to make it work. This eliminates the other two possible causes. The proximity of the jump to Earth was either the result of the artifact, or random chance.

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Durga was in her full form prior to the deletion of the Jeanie Personal Assistant. She wasn't "awake" but she didn't assmilate the existing software.

Durga was not in full form prior to the deletion of Jeannie, at least her personality wasn't. After she deletes her when she "wets the system", she says, "Waking up. Wake up. Stay awake. Survive, evade, resist, escape" (escape.wav). This is when her personality, as shown in her voice, solidifies. What did exist before she invaded Jersey's system was an AI with formidable intrusion capabilities, what exists after is a conscious personality that has access to those capabilities.

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Most of the recipe3 recordings are about that guy, however there is one piece that doesn't fit in. This is the clip heard while he is put on hold. Maria, the person he is talking to, says "One moment, sir", and all of a sudden we're hearing two other men talking. In that clip, they made it a point to show that the two men were talking in person. That is why we hear the knock at the door. I'll modify my earlier remarks and say that the beep tones are probably just the chatter hold signal, rather than anything to do with ghosts specifically.

And just one other thing, my first paragraph starting "The axons from . . ." is meant to be an overview of the entire theory that I try to prove in the rest of the post.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:29 pm

SecondSundodger
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A lot of people, myself included, believe that the Old Man talking to the Naval receptionist is a fake voice being done by one of the two other officers that we hear speak while the Old Man is on hold, if you hadn't heard of that speculation before (I don't have any links to the exact thread, and I'm too lazy to go find the thread, but if you're interested you'll find the discussion easily).

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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:10 pm

Bubba Wilkins
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Even before she became Durga the AI was actively infiltrating computers; Jersey's for sure and I believe a number of others. Durga is not aware of why she wants to investigate the things she does, such as Kamal. This is because it is the AI that she is formed from that is investigating before Durga even becomes conscious. I believe it was an accidental interaction between the AI and the personal assistant that was running that made Durga conscious and resulted in her personality.

I still don't buy the "formed up" theory. We hear two distinct personalities right off the bat. The personal assistant and Durga. Jersey assumes that that Durga is some sort of adult/sex spam mail and orders the assistant to erase her. Durga was saying that she was Drowsy, Woozy etc. before the assistant tried to erase her. You might be right about her hacking several systems prior to Jersey's, but there isn't any information shown to support that idea. I think Jersey was hacking something himself and opened the door for Durga to come in. When he noticed something wasn't quite right, he brought up the personal assistant to check on his machine.

recipe3

Think of two guys in a room/office making a prank call with a purpose. They don't give a damn about any papers, thats just an excuse they are using to get the woman on the other to check on the status of Jan Adams.

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The ship made it to Earth, however it seems that there was something strange about the jump.

I thought you were implying that this was a time travel jump. Too many threads about Mellisa's ship time travelling I guess.

On the civilian's not being largely aware of the war, the books also state that it was critical that the first victory be achieved in order to bolster civilian support and stop wide-spread panic. They don't know many details, but do know major wins and losses.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:22 pm

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