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[SPEC] The Axons may not be simultaneous
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GunsmithCat
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 		[SPEC] The Axons may not be simultaneous
A common and well laid out spec has been that every story arc is occuring at the same time, with the similar beginning of a power or communications outage (usually the latter).

Do we have any other details to support the theory however? If new story arcs continue with this it seems a very limiting aspect to the story - that they all have to take place in the same basic time and relatively the same place (following the assumption that it's an EM field or something)

What if it's something simpler than a common event?

What if the level of intrusion that Melissa requires to eavesdrop causes a pause? Like the extra "click click" people supposedly hear when they are being phone tapped?

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 		Well, the new stories so far seem to directly continue on from Jersey and Jan's stories, so I think they can count as 'part 2' events, rather than whole new story arcs.

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 		Keep in mind that in Jan's story there was not merely a pause, but a total power outage. Also, Jersey's starts not with a pause but a computer reboot.
It is possible for these all to be happening at different times, but I think (if purely for story telling reasons) that a common start time is a more powerful explanation.

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 		In this thread http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5525&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 it's spec'd that the item that was found contained one of the Forerunner Crystals, or something of the like, which required the osmium alloy to contain the radioactivity.

When the canister is opened, an immense emp would be produced. At the same time, the "living" crew of the crew was killed, while the electronic entities were passed, corrupted, to our time.

Now by the way I see it, right before the cansiter was opened, a Covenant virus managed to get in the system. The virus was also transmitted through the wormhole.

One thing that would help us here is a reply from Dana regarding any unusual occurrences before the motley crew took over poor old Maggie's site.

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truegent wrote:
Keep in mind that in Jan's story there was not mearly a pause, but a total power outage. Also, Jersey's starts not with a pause but a computer reboot.
It is posible for these all to be happening at different times, but I think (if purely for stroy telling reasons) that a common start time is a more powerfull explination.


True, but in Jan's story Melissa is taping into their security system, it's a probably a bigger deal than just listening in on some chatternet. And she takes over Jersey's computer completely.

They just seem like very different events when you line them up. Computer reboots, but no blackout. Blackout. Lines disconnecting.

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JimmyJames wrote:
In this thread http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5525&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 it's spec'd that the item that was found contained one of the Forerunner Crystals, or something of the like, which required the osmium alloy to contain the radioactivity.

When the canister is opened, an immense emp would be produced. At the same time, the "living" crew of the crew was killed, while the electronic entities were passed, corrupted, to our time.

Now by the way I see it, right before the cansiter was opened, a Covenant virus managed to get in the system. The virus was also transmitted through the wormhole.

One thing that would help us here is a reply from Dana regarding any unusual occurrences before the motley crew took over poor old Maggie's site.

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Flea infested Melissa via Covenant transmissions (or that was her last assumption).

While the osmium is probably telling, it doesn't necessarily mean it's radioactive or a bomb or a communicator. It might just mean the Forerunners wanted to protect it.

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They just seem like very different events when you line them up. Computer reboots, but no blackout. Blackout. Lines disconnecting.

That has bothered me as well but can be explained away. The power goes out on a military campus. Security reboots or goes into hyper alert mode and catches Jan. Also on campus the power outage causes the campus network to drop packets causing Genie to restart. Power outage on campus also causes local chatter-net hub to cycle causing Kemal and Old_Man_With_Reciept to loose chatter-net connection for a few moments.

They could all be a stretch and that is why in my mind the strongest argument for similar starting times is, as I said, a story telling one. It give the 'reader' a foundation to build the story on. Any other answer may, in the fullness of time, may eventually be supported. But with what we have at this point it is too disorienting to have to build a convoluted hypothesis when a simple one makes as much sense.[/list]

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truegent wrote:
GunsmithCat wrote:
They just seem like very different events when you line them up. Computer reboots, but no blackout. Blackout. Lines disconnecting.

That has bothered me as well but can be explained away. The power goes out on a military campus. Security reboots or goes into hyper alert mode and catches Jan. Also on campus the power outage causes the campus network to drop packets causing Genie to restart. Power outage on campus also causes local chatter-net hub to cycle causing Kemal and Old_Man_With_Reciept to loose chatter-net connection for a few moments.

They could all be a stretch and that is why in my mind the strongest argument for similar starting times is, as I said, a story telling one. It give the 'reader' a foundation to build the story on. Any other answer may, in the fullness of time, may eventually be supported. But with what we have at this point it is too disorienting to have to build a convoluted hypothesis when a simple one makes as much sense.[/list]


It's not much of a stretch .... until we involve Durga. I mean this is a hugely random event, getting a smart AI dropped on your desktop PC. By that explanation - the power outage at the base should be the main focus. Why isn't Durga there? Maybe Jersey lives right next, or on the base ... but then it gets even weirder because he doesn't give us any indication that anything else goes out .... but his computer.

Power outages seem way more random than what is going on here. Here it seems, Durga touches it - it goes wacky for a bit.

She invades a computer, it reboots.

She invades a security system, it resets.

She invades a chatternet, it briefly disconnects.

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 		Thank you GSC, that supports my [SPEC] , reposted here for the annoyance factor and to get more exposure.

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Durga is delivered into Jersey's system, during the disruption (or causing it)
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Durga kills Jeanie
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Durga "Wets the system" tapping chat protocol (CP) and also disrupting other systems.
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     |          Kamahl                     Troy                 Military base.
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Jersey asks her to look up Jan,and she says:"I can do better than that"
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Jan at the cop station
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Then "emergency" much later.


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While the osmium is probably telling, it doesn't necessarily mean it's radioactive or a bomb or a communicator. It might just mean the Forerunners wanted to protect it.


That's just it, I don't think they necessarily wanted to "protect" it, they wanted to get rid of it. Also, as far as I know, dense materials are not necessarily stronger than other materials. The common use for dense materials is an insulator, like the lead apron at the dentist's office. With osmium being the densest material we know of, and the material used to make the cylinder being denser, it's not really even a stretch of the imagination to assume it was holding something of immense energy (as we can't assume it's only radioactivity we're talking about). This thing is much more than a bomb, it folds time, allowing time travel.

For an easy reference of the theory, watch Event Horizon. Now in that movie, there was a large electromagnetic sphere which allowed them to fold time. A Sony version of that devise is what I'm imagning was in the cylinder. Only the Forerunners didn't even have the ability to fully control it, so that put it in the cylinder, embossed the cylinder with warnings, and shot it into deep space.

Now something with the ability to fold time is going to generate a huge EMP. But as I just read, the AI's memories are contained in crystals. The EMP wouldn't harm these, but it would corrupt them quite a bit. Like running a magnet over a VHS tape, the images are still there, but they're all messed up. Further away, the damage of the EMP would be lessened, which would lead to the varying degrees of interruption.

The 50 cal shooting holes in my theory is the axon stories themselves. However, are they even important, or are they merely amusing anecdotes pointing us toward commonalities, which takes us back to your question. I'm going with the Time travel theory for now as it tends to tie in multiple aspects of the puzzle, but I'm not going to discount other viable theories.
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 		GunsmithCat and johnny_Nitro,
The argument has no errors in it. It just doesn't 'feel' right. If nothing else then because it bestows powers for Durga that I see no evidence for. Your scenario presumes that Durga (within second of booting up on a 'small' unfamiliar system) can hack the chatter-net, gather audio and video data from a myriad of sources all without detection. Yet by your version every time she touches anything systems cut out and power generators go off-line. Hardly subtle or sneaky.
All we really have evidence of is the ability to defend herself (pinches and 'killing' Genie) and data mining. Note that the answers she gives are all OLD data (infidelity based on dining habits and bio data on military personnel and families) nothing NEW.

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JimmyJames wrote:
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While the osmium is probably telling, it doesn't necessarily mean it's radioactive or a bomb or a communicator. It might just mean the Forerunners wanted to protect it.


That's just it, I don't think they necessarily wanted to "protect" it, they wanted to get rid of it. Also, as far as I know, dense materials are not necessarily stronger than other materials. The common use for dense materials is an insulator, like the lead apron at the dentist's office. With osmium being the densest material we know of, and the material used to make the cylinder being denser, it's not really even a stretch of the imagination to assume it was holding something of immense energy (as we can't assume it's only radioactivity we're talking about). This thing is much more than a bomb, it folds time, allowing time travel.




I'm not seeing how a dense metal that could shield us from a radioactive source inside could not also protect something inside from both physical and radioactive harm... Neutral Not saying it's a wild spec, just saying one is probably as likely as the other.

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If nothing else then because it bestows powers for Durga that I see no evidence for. Your scenario presumes that Durga (within second of booting up on a 'small' unfamiliar system) can hack the chatter-net, gather audio and video data from a myriad of sources all without detection. Yet by your version every time she touches anything systems cut out and power generators go off-line. Hardly subtle or sneaky.


I think we have lots evidence for this. She's clearly a powerful, intelligent AI who can overpower other systems and drill for data at lightning speeds. She knows more about Jersey's dad that Jersey does in all about a nanosecond.

And while the base getting a blackout may not be subtle, the communication flips are subtle enough that none of the characters really think twice about it.

And remember - the only way the sentries found Jan was through the blackout. What was Durga trying to do? ... find Jan??

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 		If your theory is true, then there would have to be one more chatter interrupt when Durga would spy Jan. In the base where the blackout was, she wasn't following Jan, but the officers who were watching her. But in the interrogation room and the drive home with James James, Durga has to be following Jan.

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GunsmithCat wrote:
I think we have lots evidence for this. She's clearly a powerful, intelligent AI who can overpower other systems and drill for data at lightning speeds. She knows more about Jersey's dad that Jersey does in all about a nanosecond.

but again it is all OLD data. This is why I mentioned data mining. Durga did not say "your mom is boinking the neighbor at this second and here is the video." She said "at some time in the past she had dinner with a man, had tuna and the man stiffed the waiter on the tip" (8%! I get cursed out for less then 15%! Wink).

Again, I am not saying that Durga couldn't do these things. I just do not see any evidence of it. "I like to find things out" sounds like a data miner and not a omnipresent spy.

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Astald wrote:
If your theory is true, then there would have to be one more chatter interrupt when Durga would spy Jan. In the base where the blackout was, she wasn't following Jan, but the officers who were watching her. But in the interrogation room and the drive home with James James, Durga has to be following Jan.

Good point. The car didn't fall out of auto-pilot. The PQI did not reboot. We also have Kemal's return home, the voice mail, and the stakeout with no glitches.
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