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sherpa
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johnny_Nitro wrote:
Code:

But that's okay. I'm tough. I've got Pluck.


Pluck is capitalized, is there a reason why? Or is it just for emphasis.


(I realise this was a couple of pages back, sorry)

I think it's a style thing. Like a Bear of Very Little Brain.. I see that sort of capitalisation a lot, especially in children's stories or folk tales. I believe Johnny Nitro is right with his definition of 'pluck' though, as well as a verb it's a fairly common, but increasingly archaic, term meaning 'courage and spirit'. Usually seen in the phrase 'a plucky little girl', it's not really applied to adults that much.

Just my 2p Smile
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cruci
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Re: [WILD SPEC] Perdita's Story

MusicToEat wrote:
Get ready for some wild and crazy SPEC here.

<snip>

Is there any kind of precedent for charaters in an ARG to refer to PMs? It's cheap and lazy - the PMs would be talking to the players, rather than doing things properly through the characters.

If there's precedent, then fine - but I'm highly sceptical that in-game characters give allegories directly pertaining to the game (as seen from the outside) itself...

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krystyn
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Interesting spec, musictoeat, but I can't quite abide that they'd write such a meta-riffic allegorical when in the same story the SP writes, "This is not a game."

Surprised

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MusicToEat
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Well, that's the thing, allegory isn't a game. It's a symbolic story. No one would claim that Three Blind Mice is a game, yet it's an allegory about Queen Mary I, who was a staunch Catholic, killing three protestant noblemen.

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krystyn
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I'm still having issues with the meta interp., though. It's obvious these items in her story are symbolic of something. I am just not so sure it's the PMs POV she's espousing, is all.

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SuperJerms
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Corngood wrote:
The balloon metaphor only makes sense for SP if she's leaving these ballons while she's already on her way home.

They are something she's picking up on her way into this predicament, and something she's dropping off on her way out.

[SPEC] Perhaps the recipe3 files are the balloons. The first clip might correspond to her arriving in earth orbit onboard the Apocalypso. For this to make sense she'd have to have already collected all the balloons before she starts to leave her trail, and now we are just picking up the start of the trail.

The part that doesn't work is that she wouldn't be stuck if she was already on her way home, and leaving a trail.

[More SPEC] Perhaps the trail is being left by someone else, maybe in the form of the audio files again, and we need to tell her (how) to follow them home.


Guys, I just realized this, though it may not be an ephipony to the rest of you...SP referrs to baloons somewhere else:
lookinglass.html!!

Surely this isn't a ka-weekiedink, is it? She says, why seek the truth, why not seek baloons?

Discuss or trout me Smile
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dragongrrl
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perdita -- a winter's tale

it seems that choosing the name Perdita was no accident.

i google'd perdita and "fairy tale" and got:
Perdita -

The daughter of Leontes and Hermione. Because her father believes her to be illegitimate, she is abandoned as a baby on the coast of Bohemia, and brought up by a Shepherd. Unaware of her royal lineage, she falls in love with the Bohemian Prince Florizel


from Shakespeare's "A Winter's Tale"

another little girl lost story (a la Dorothy and Alice)


color of balloons sticks out to me:
The balloons came in extraordinary colors—firelight-on-steel was one, the green of a heaving sea another. Perdita was fondest of the red ones: cheerful balls of bright blood red with long strings that bounced and tugged up against your hand exactly like hope.

never thought "blood red" was "cheerful" Wink
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cruci
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MusicToEat wrote:
Well, that's the thing, allegory isn't a game. It's a symbolic story. No one would claim that Three Blind Mice is a game, yet it's an allegory about Queen Mary I, who was a staunch Catholic, killing three protestant noblemen.

Eh?

That's not my point at all...I'm saying that a character inside the game will not talk about the game as seen from the outside.

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krystyn
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Perdita X was the gutsy alter ego of poor Agnes Nitt when she attempted to break onto the Discworld opera scene in Terry Pratchett's series, too.

I'm leanin' towards the 'lost' definition, though, and I definitely was reminded of Winter's Tale as well. Smile

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jellyfish_green
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Re: Uh, what?

illuminati wrote:
I'm leavin' a thought balloon.


98 more red balloons and I'll have a full set.

"Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk"

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MusicToEat
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cruci, that was in reply to krystyn.

You're probably right though. I'm probably way off. It's just that when I read the story, that popped into my head, and it all seemed to fit. In defense of the theory though. Many of the nursey rhymes we know today are actually allogories of the rich and powerful of it's day. You weren't supposed to criticise the royalty, but if someone made up a silly little rhyme it would pass unnoticed. So, if the PMs are not supposed to get meta then the best place to do it would be an allegorical story. It would actually be upholding the traditions of all those old nursery rhymes they are drawing inspiration from.

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Kender
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Clockwork rat

I found a very interesting reference to a Clockwork Rat:

Rosemary Lake has a website with 'New Fairy Tales'.

This is a quote from her website:
Quote:
My stories are both 'feminist' and 'fairy tales.' They keep all the traditional fairy tale elements, using strong, smart girls and women as the 'heros.'

This fits the ILB theme perfectly.

One of her stories is called 'The Wicker House' and it features a clockwork rat.

Links:
http://www.rosemarylake.com
http://www.rosemarylake.com/wick.html

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