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Avatrix
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[QUESTION] How Does The Princess Resist the Flea? This question came to me as I was reading this thread in the puzzles section: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6151&start=15
I didn't think it was the place for it, so I'm starting this thread.
Why is the Princess able to resist the Flea's advances so easily, when the Queen fell so quickly? Certainly, the Queen's partially rebuilt state adds to her vulnerability--but if the Flea's purpose is to subvert other programs, one would expect it to be fairly capable.
Adjunct: Was the Flea intended to subvert Melissa before she became damaged? If it was, then how much of a role does the damage actually play?
So, is the Princess simply strong enough to resist because she's different from Melissa in some way? Will the Flea's constant attempts slowly get past her defenses?
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:27 am
GunsmithCat
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Well we know Flea first start effecting Melissa before she was aware of his presence. Maybe Princess just has the advantage of being aware of him in the first place, so she's not fooled into thinking he is an internal process.
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:39 am
Daffy889
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The Flea tricked the Queen into believing that he was a newer version of SPDR. The Princess has been watching the whole time and knows about the Flea, so tricking her doesn't work.
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:41 am
Arashi
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So the Queen, Princess and Melissa are 3 different "people?"
Queeny was tricked by Flea, Princess wasn't and is now at odds with Flea - aka all the puzzle pages (Looking Glass etc) and Melissa is.. what... what's her relation to the flea?
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:07 am
Karmic
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Arashi wrote:
So the Queen, Princess and Melissa are 3 different "people?"
Queeny was tricked by Flea, Princess wasn't and is now at odds with Flea - aka all the puzzle pages (Looking Glass etc) and Melissa is.. what... what's her relation to the flea?
The way I've been looking at it (trout welcome) is:The Queen and the Princess are really parts of the same Operator AI (still wavering a bit on this point ). Not so much different "people", but different aspects of the Operator, like split personalities. The Flea is the invading virus (I believe this is the general consensus ). The SPDR was a process built into the Operator, a 'reflex' process meant to deal with damage to the core AI (it's all in the name System Peril Distributed Reflex ). As for where Melissa fits, I guess that depends on what you mean by Melissa. The fully coherent ship AI mentioned in the memories? Or, the Queen/master-sector process currently in control of ilovebees.com?
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:24 am
Anton P. Nym
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I'm inclined to believe that the Queen and the Princess are different AIs... if so, the Queen/Operator/Melissa was really badly damaged and unable to properly analyse the Flea's actions, whereas the Princess was relatively intact and therefor able to tell the difference between Seeker and SPDR.
-- Steve's hoping that we'll get a literal name for the Princess soon... she's the only character still extant that doesn't have one, except for the Castaway.
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:40 am
CoffeeJedi
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Anton P. Nym wrote:
I'm inclined to believe that the Queen and the Princess are different AIs... if so, the Queen/Operator/Melissa was really badly damaged and unable to properly analyse the Flea's actions, whereas the Princess was relatively intact and therefor able to tell the difference between Seeker and SPDR.
-- Steve's hoping that we'll get a literal name for the Princess soon... she's the only character still extant that doesn't have one, except for the Castaway.
we can say with 90% certainty that the Castaway is Jason Morrelli, so...... yeah, she's the only one
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:55 am
sherpa
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It's interesting that the Princess is referred to as such in the Flea text (hmm; does the Flea have another name apart from simply 'seeker'? I think not, off the top of my head) but SPDR was definitely distinct from the story-name The Widow. Why can't the real world have Princesses?
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:02 pm
GunsmithCat
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sherpa wrote:
It's interesting that the Princess is referred to as such in the Flea text (hmm; does the Flea have another name apart from simply 'seeker'? I think not, off the top of my head) but SPDR was definitely distinct from the story-name The Widow. Why can't the real world have Princesses?
That is interesting. Flea & SPDR refers to Melissa as master-etc, right (like master process). Princess isn't referred to by either a process name (like seeker, I'd think) or a real name, just the label.
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:35 pm
Hyperion
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In the Yellow Brick Road log, the Flea labels itself as "Seeker" and the Proc 0 as "Princess."
So, the Princess seems to be seen as a running program or application, but the Flea labeled her as "Princess."
That seems to be her name.
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:48 pm
gheritt
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But how would the Flea know what her name is, except by asking her? She knows herself only as the Princess, so that's what she's going with.
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:40 pm
vidstudent
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The flea's not on the inside. The flea's speech has all been, for the most part, command code. I really believe he's not an AI, but a straight-up hacker in the Queen's system. From that angle, he can look at names of processes and try to access them. "Ooh, what's this proc0? Maybe I can use it...?"
As for other names for the Flea, we'd need to see what Melissa thinks he is. The Princess gives out names like Widow (SPDR), Queen (Melissa, Operator), Sleeping Princess (herself), and Pious Flea. If we want to know other names for the Flea, we need a different perspective - we need to get Melissa to tell us.
...alas, I don't see that happening.
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:38 pm
truegent
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serial wrote:
In the Yellow Brick Road log, the Flea labels itself as "Seeker" and the Proc 0 as "Princess."
emphasis mine
In order to be Proc0 wouldn't you have to be the first process run? This would imply that SP was on the system (or started running on the system) before the Queen, SPDR, or Flea?
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:42 pm
voipme
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Anton P. Nym wrote:
I'm inclined to believe that the Queen and the Princess are different AIs... if so, the Queen/Operator/Melissa was really badly damaged and unable to properly analyse the Flea's actions, whereas the Princess was relatively intact and therefor able to tell the difference between Seeker and SPDR.
-- Steve's hoping that we'll get a literal name for the Princess soon... she's the only character still extant that doesn't have one, except for the Castaway.
[SPEC] I think its pretty well accepted that the Castaway is Corporal Jason Morelli, Jersey's father.
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:12 pm
GunsmithCat
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truegent wrote:
serial wrote:
In the Yellow Brick Road log, the Flea labels itself as "Seeker" and the Proc 0 as "Princess."
emphasis mine
In order to be Proc0 wouldn't you have to be the first process run? This would imply that SP was on the system (or started running on the system) before the Queen, SPDR, or Flea?
Interesting thought. Might also be a priority though, not chronological. Being the zero priority process might be her way of hiding.
Hehehe. Princess is a TSR. Figures.
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:12 pm
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