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Atoner
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 		[SPEC] 0 of 777
I promised myself I wouldn't post any spec's relating ILB to Halo 2, but this seemed to me to be too interesting to ignore.

Once we have all axons for this week, we'll have 86/777 filled. There are about 10 weeks between now and Halo 2's release date ( 11/9 ? Could be wrong on this one ) 777 / 86 is a little bit more than 9.

So it seems like it would fit quite nicely that we'd get about 86 or so new axons a week up until a few days before release. It makes sense to me because you could fill in a lot of backstory and keep up interest all the way till launch.

Perhaps this is blindingly obvious so, as they say, trout me gently. I have been keeping up with most of the axon threads and hadn't seen this discussed yet.

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 		Seems like a plausible idea to me...

And she will continue to transmit until she receives orders otherwise...

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 		Some "777 spec" is in the big axons thread but I don't recall seeing your theory exactly. My only point about it (other than noting that the mathematics isn't an exact fit, but that's explainable) is that surely it would be rather boring if the axons idea continued? Still, it could be the 'theme' for this part of the game, with different puzzles centred around axons.
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 		maybe mel will realize that pay phones aren't a particulerly secure way to contact her crew so the next set of axons will be new web sites or some other form of communication
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CoffeeJedi wrote:
maybe mel will realize that pay phones aren't a particulerly secure way to contact her crew so the next set of axons will be new web sites or some other form of communication


I'd buy that. Maybe it's all pay phones, but perhaps not. Or maybe the "axons" puzzle isn't all there is to it.

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sherpa wrote:
Some "777 spec" is in the big axons thread but I don't recall seeing your theory exactly. My only point about it (other than noting that the mathematics isn't an exact fit, but that's explainable) is that surely it would be rather boring if the axons idea continued? Still, it could be the 'theme' for this part of the game, with different puzzles centred around axons.


Agreed. If all that remains of this ARG is listening to Melissa spill her memories on an audiotape while people drive out to payphones to appease her, it would get old fast.

I'm guessing we have sets of @200 with different "delivery" methods.

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Agreed. If all that remains of this ARG is listening to Melissa spill her memories on an audiotape while people drive out to payphones to appease her, it would get old fast.

I'm guessing we have sets of @200 with different "delivery" methods.


That's a lot of intricate, detailed work -- both for the PMs, and for us. Eep. Surprised
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 		It's also possible that we're not meant to get to 777... Melissa is under the influence of The Pious Flea and judging by this forum we're in near-complete agreement that this influence is A Bad Thing(tm).

I am enjoying the audio files as much as the next person, but why are we trying to help Melissa while she's an unsuspecting agent of the enemy? Why would we want her to "reveal the truth" if the truth is something the enemy wants revealed? Especially if the "truth" is the location of Earth to an enemy that has no compunction about "glassing" entire worlds (as Melissa has "remembered" via the SPDR and shared via the text of the ilovebees site)? Doesn't this make the "count up" to 777 more ominous than the "wide awake and physical" countdown?

(I understand the meta reason is that we don't have anything else to do - except for possibly convincing Dana and/or The Sleeping Princess to intervene - but still...)

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 		Well, Melissa seems in control of the transmissions, so one would think she is in control of the "777". Still, the onus of the following is on our shoulders:

[quote=Melissa]The voices are in some way related to my accident.
Because of the damage, I am unable to accurately assess the nature of the voices.
By broadcasting the voices to my crew, they will be able to assess the damage.
Once assessed, the damage can be repaired.[/quote]

So we have to assess the damage - do we have enough voices to do this (however we're supposed to)? I'm not sure we do, so maybe we need to get up to 777 before all comes clear and we can help Melissa.
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sherpa wrote:
Some "777 spec" is in the big axons thread but I don't recall seeing your theory exactly.


I may stay out of that big axons thread in the future. It is full to the brim with preteens making totally illogical jumps to conclusions. The signal-to-noise there is approaching 0.

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 		This was brought up in another thread, but I wanted to see if anyone has actually heard about a HOT axon "flaring again"... I mean, that's at the whole core of the 777 argument anyway, right? One of three things must happen:

(1) we can't get to 777, so that's that. (and that's dumb, so I hope that's not it)

(2) The only way we can get to 777 is by re-hitting old "hot" axons (cuz we'd have to hit each axon at least three times, and almost half of them more than three times...) and either (a) it's the same message, or (b) it's a NEW and COOL message...

and finally (3), that once we've hit all 210 of our axons, we get more totally new axon points (either GPS/phones, or something new like websites or something)...

so that's that.
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 		Here's my first spec on this subject (lost somewhere in the big axon thread):

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The 777 is clearly the total number of transmission sources. We already know 210 of them.

If every set of seven goes hot again once it's completed it only gives you 30 more (or 420 depending on how you look at it). There's gotta be more axons/roads to complete 777. Where to find them? Where to look for them? I believe this is an important puzzle to solve, and at least it suggests that the 30 .wav files are not the end of this.

If we assume that every set of 7 axons will give out one clue (or .wav file), then we're looking at 111 files!

Another way to look at it, is that perhaps once all sets of seven go past the 2 successful transmissions threshold, a new threshold will come up (at 3, then 4, then 5, and so on), but only on selected sets, leading to new .wav files until 777/111 is reached. This would seem like a good security measure used by a military AI, and I would expect the sensitivity in the messages to increase accordingly with the threshold.


Here's the next one (and the one I like best)

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Look at this spec... so far every important snippet if comprised of seven items (7 URL's, 7 Axons, etc). If we assume that there will be one final message, a series such as this could be built


7 clues = 1 snippet / One final message (the truth)
70 clues = 10 snippets / Next to last message (currently unknown)
210 clues = 30 snippets / Axons message
490 clues = 40 snippets / URL Links message? (can't recall how many they were)

777 total


But I haven't been able to determine if there were 40 sets of 7 links in the URL puzzle (and I've really tried!). If they were 40 links, we are still left with how to make Melissa count those in the progress bar. If this turns out to be true, we're looking at one more puzzle with 70 clues and more revealing in nature, before getting the final 7 clues and "The truth revealed"

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Atoner wrote:
CoffeeJedi wrote:
maybe mel will realize that pay phones aren't a particulerly secure way to contact her crew so the next set of axons will be new web sites or some other form of communication


I'd buy that. Maybe it's all pay phones, but perhaps not. Or maybe the "axons" puzzle isn't all there is to it.

-Atoner-


I'm on the same line of thinking. Probably obvious, but doesn't the Operator's response to "continue" on the phone calls cause her to reply that the listener doesn't have the equipment to continue? (I'm trying to check through a declining S/N ratio.)

Are future transmissions video clips of memories? My bet is that the medium shifts and that the next axons are URLs. The yellow brick road puzzle could just be a taste.

Since the connected axons' GPS data disappears to the status sheet, I bet a trout that they don't ring again, but would love to be wrong.

Sorry if this is covered elsewhere or patently obvious. I'm new to this kind of game and am juggling a lot of URLs. Very Happy

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CoffeeJedi wrote:
maybe mel will realize that pay phones aren't a particulerly secure way to contact her crew so the next set of axons will be new web sites or some other form of communication


What I think is funny about that is posting them to a web site isn't particularly secure either Wink

Course we can't assume that Melissa understands exactly the nature of her surroundings.

Dorkmaster wrote:

This was brought up in another thread, but I wanted to see if anyone has actually heard about a HOT axon "flaring again"... I mean, that's at the whole core of the 777 argument anyway, right? One of three things must happen:

(1) we can't get to 777, so that's that. (and that's dumb, so I hope that's not it)

(2) The only way we can get to 777 is by re-hitting old "hot" axons (cuz we'd have to hit each axon at least three times, and almost half of them more than three times...) and either (a) it's the same message, or (b) it's a NEW and COOL message...

and finally (3), that once we've hit all 210 of our axons, we get more totally new axon points (either GPS/phones, or something new like websites or something)...

so that's that.


I hate to be the pessimist, but is hitting all 210 realistic? Yesterday was undoubtably our biggest showing and we got less than 50% of that. Sure there's people today who can and will go and "fix" old axons, but I'm just not sure getting 100% seems likely, and is certainly impossible unless the PMs fix some of the coordinates it sounds.

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Begrudgingly Pessimistic GunsmithCat wrote:
I hate to be the pessimist, but is hitting all 210 realistic? Yesterday was undoubtably our biggest showing and we got less than 50% of that. Sure there's people today who can and will go and "fix" old axons, but I'm just not sure getting 100% seems likely, and is certainly impossible unless the PMs fix some of the coordinates it sounds.
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I think it is realistic, and only because this will continue until we hit all of the coordinates. I think it's entirely possible that some coordinates will change. I don't think we'll have to hit all 210 three times and then 147 of them once more... that was just a "cover-all" statement. However, I'll bet ScarpeGrosse's sequinned hotpants that we'll get more axons. Be them websites, Payphones, or live interactions, we'll just have to get 210/777 to see!
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