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[Ekim]

[scibtag]

For all the people talking about how four would be enough to obliterate the galaxy, "This ring isn't a cudgel, you barbarian, it's something else...". The ring is not a giant bomb that blows up planets and stars and everything else. It simply destroys any life that has sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. Kind of like a suped up equivalent of the theoretical neutron bomb - it kills all the people, but leaves building standing. Because of that, there would be no secondary damage beyond the effect of the original pulse. There would have to be enough Halos to blanket the entire galaxy if they wanted to be sure of destroying all life.

[thebruce]

[improvius]

[SuperJerms]

Buncha things...

[scibtag]

[Mazian]

SuperJerms

[Dorkmaster]

How do we know this slipstream jump that ends in lunar orbit is pertaining to Earth's moon.

Forgive me if it's trout, but I couldn't find anything regarding this specifically (at least lately). So, why do we assume the Cole Protocol applies here? If they're not jumping to earth, but another known location (such as troy?) that kind of breaks up that argument.

Here's some thought-provoking spec (or trout?) Or maybe that Rolf Sorenson was NOT going to evac Troy, as it appeared, but then -WHOOOMP- In jumps the Apocalypso into lunar orbit near Troy. Having just jumped from battle w/the covies to get here, they recognize the imminent danger that Troy is in, and begin rough evac of the planet?

anyway, that's my theory, but the beginning, I feel is solid. That the Apocalypso did not slipstream travel to EARTH, but to TROY. What am I missing here, kids? (Warming up the grill for the fabulous fish dinner I fear will arrive shortly)

[GunsmithCat]

[Dorkmaster]

As always, well played, GSC. However, I do disagree slightly in interpretation of the Troy series of recordings. (slightly OT to explain an On Topic argument... sorry)


I believe that it is someone reviewing chatter pertaining to that old man (or maybe chatter containing the word Troy for all we know...) Point being, that the timeline of when the recording happened isn't as important necessarily, since it's a review of past recorded info.


Also, since I'm following this line of reasoning, then I believe that the person asking for essentially status (who ends up saying "Jesus") is indeed getting info from someone who has perhaps been viewing at least 50 of these types of conversations and are trying to (1) figure out what happened to troy, (2) try to figure out the timeline of the Apocalypso, or (3) find out who broke orders and evac'd in the first place, when it's pretty apparent that Rolf et al seemingly were going to leave the planet to glassing as to not compromise intelligence.

Therefore, the apocalypso could easily be set firmly in lunar orbit of Troy, just as easily as anywhere else (but I still see major leaps in saying it was earth... it just seems too terra-centric in this world to assume that "lunar" refers only to Earth's moon....) Anyway, that's my 6 farthings worth of spec.



-DM

-DM

[scibtag]

More evidence that the apocalpypso came into earth orbit is the fact that the man who is told about it later appears in Boston. The man he is talking to also talks about a lot of other earth locations in a similar manner. Describing how you should go to Acco for the best baclava. This is according to the later key_lime and candidate clips. The clips have done a lot of earth city name dropping, so I think bungie's trying to give us plenty of evidence that these are all on earth without actually telling us.

[Dorkmaster]

[scibtag]

Sorry, I thought it was generally accepted that the high ranking military officer and the military officer in the key_lime and candidate clips were one and the same.

As for evidence, first off the voices are very similar. I'd like to learn some voice analysis, but for now I have to go off my ear. There's also the extreme circumstantial evidence of a person being told of the apocalypso dropping in, and then in the next clip in the same section a man is telling somebody else this same thing. They're also both identified as having some type of military position, and because we know the man from the key_lime and candidate clips is relatively old it seems likely that he would have acheived a high rank. High ranking enough to be informed of a ship dropping into earth's orbit as soon as it appears. Something that would likely be kept secret from most people, given how closely kept information seems to be held in the UNSC and ONI.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I just can't believe that Bungie would set up two clips so close together, with such similar sounding voices, and not have them be the same guy. It also would serve as a common thread connecting the first wave of recipe3 clips with the second.

[Dorkmaster]

S'all good! I'm not saying "shame on you" as much as, make sure you start with fact.

Like I said, it's good spec. I'm not saying I disagree with you, or that I can definitively prove you wrong on that aspect, just that I don't think that there's a way we can say your "apocalypso" guy is the same as "baklava" guy for certain.

And therefore, by extending spec further, based upon spec, is just building a house of cards.... May it stand, and prove to be right and amazingly foresighted? Absolutely! You could be 100% right. I just tend to take the skeptic's route to ensure I am not making inaccurate statements, just because of the volume of fish bandied about here in the unforums.

But again, sorry if I insinuated "retaliation" or personal attack. I just am very scientific with my spec whereas others are able to make those leaps and build spec on spec comfortably. Neither is better or worse I suppose.

Ok, enough wishy-washy stuff... I still hold to my belief that Apocalypso slipstream dropped into Troy's lunar orbit, not earth. You disagree. We have nothing firm to evidence one side or the other definitively, so I think for now, I'll back off and just hear what others have to say on this point.

-DM

edit- after another listening, under the tutelage of the keen eared scibtag, I stand corrected. baklava guy is not the guy in question, as that guy is way too old and yiddish-y.

[scibtag]

No worries, I didn't take offense or anything. And just one point that I think you might be misunderstanding, it's not the guy who talks about baclava who I believe was the high ranking military officer, it's the guy he's talking to. The one who hasn't retired yet.